Why is everyone so hard on Teddy?

[raz]

honest question: how many of y'all are gonna be whacking it tonight watching cam try and beat the jets?

[Icege]

1 hour ago, KSpan said:

What is your point? Where did I say that it should all be done now or immediately? What I said was that we should not pass on a QB simply because Teddy is 'good enough'. Simple as that.

For the millionth time no one hates Teddy. Objectively assessing his performance is not hate. He and his offense have failed to close the game for 4 weeks now, let alone the shortcomings before then. That's simply a fact.

To your overall comment you seemingly support my point entirely - KC did not sit tight with Alex Smith because he was 'good enough' and hope they'd have a unicorn season. They built the roster, including the coaching staff, and got their guy when he was available. Mahomes put them over the top.

In the interim they performed well in the regular season and failed, sometimes spectacularly, in the playoffs against top tier competition... That should not be the goal.

Mang, you and a few other posters go out of your way to criticize Teddy at every twist and turn while making sure you can downplay anything that he does that can be seen as a positive. That's hate, simple and plain.

Please rationalize that last bit about the Chiefs. Alex Smith had not seen success until playing for KC when he finally made his first Pro Bowl. He also came in from 2013 - 2017 as the Chiefs took Eric Fisher #1 and then picked up Travis Kelce in that same draft (which btw produced  "franchise QB prospects" such as EJ Manuel, Geno Smith, Mike Glennon, Matt Barkley, and Landry Jones).

Next draft? They take Dee Ford in the 1st  at #23 instead of moving up to #22 where Johnny Manziel was picked (though they went and got Aaron Murray in the 5th).

2015, they go get Marcus Peters at #18 instead of trading up for Jameis Winston or Marcus Mariota.

2016, Chris Jones is the pick. Would moving up for Paxton Lynch had been the better move? We can ask Denver.

2017, they trade two firsts (#27 & 2018 1st) and a third (#91) to jump up to #10 (or was it #12? Maybe Deshaun was #12 and Pat was #10?) and take Mahomes. The team went 10-6 and had Alex Smith, Eric Berry, Travis Kelce, Marcus Peters, Tyreek Hill, Kareem Hunt, Justin Houston, Mitchell Schwartz, Eric Fisher, Chris Jones, Allen Bailey, Tamba Hali, Daniel Sorensen, Derrick Johnson, Darrelle Revis, and Harrison Butker. There wasn't 40%+ roster turnover. Mahomes took over an already good team, just look at what they did with Smith running the show:

2017: 10-6, division champs
2016: 12-4, division champs
2015: 11-5, wildcard spot
2014: 9-7
2013: 11-5, wildcard spot 

The Kansas City Chiefs were a complete, competent football team before spending the draft capital to move up and get their guy. After sustained success, they won a Super Bowl. How is that not what we should be shooting for?

[raz]

8 minutes ago, TikTOK said:

I agree, but it’s the same team and coaching staffs that Alex Smith had for a couple years and couldn’t get passed the divisional round. 

that's not true.   KC has improved their team every year.  they have the luxury of getting new toys in the draft because they don't have giant holes everywhere to fill.   

also, please tell me who the new mahomes is, since, evidently, they grow on trees.  trevor isn't gonna be that good, not even close. fields, nope, wilson, nope, lance, probably has a better shot than any of the others but its a long long shot.  nobody in the world playing qb right now has faster processing speed than mahomes.  he's a legit freak.   

[raz]

5 minutes ago, TikTOK said:

When did I say that there was a Mahomes 2.0? Mahomes doesn’t grow on trees but there are at least 5 potential franchise QBs in this upcoming draft. Bridgwater isn’t the long term answer. 

potential.   potential doesn't mean squat.    i'm all for drafting a qb in rd 1 if there's 1 there the coaches (pls god let it be the coaches and not marty) think can run this system really well, as long as that's paired with a focus on the 0-line in rounds 2-5.   a new qb will have a much better life here if we can solidify that.   if we're gonna focus on other areas in the draft i could care less if take a qb in rd 1. 

[KSpan]

1 hour ago, Icege said:

Mang, you and a few other posters go out of your way to criticize Teddy at every twist and turn while making sure you can downplay anything that he does that can be seen as a positive. That's hate, simple and plain.

Please rationalize that last bit about the Chiefs. Alex Smith had not seen success until playing for KC when he finally made his first Pro Bowl. He also came in from 2013 - 2017 as the Chiefs took Eric Fisher #1 and then picked up Travis Kelce in that same draft (which btw produced  "franchise QB prospects" such as EJ Manuel, Geno Smith, Mike Glennon, Matt Barkley, and Landry Jones).

Next draft? They take Dee Ford in the 1st  at #23 instead of moving up to #22 where Johnny Manziel was picked (though they went and got Aaron Murray in the 5th).

2015, they go get Marcus Peters at #18 instead of trading up for Jameis Winston or Marcus Mariota.

2016, Chris Jones is the pick. Would moving up for Paxton Lynch had been the better move? We can ask Denver.

2017, they trade two firsts (#27 & 2018 1st) and a third (#91) to jump up to #10 (or was it #12? Maybe Deshaun was #12 and Pat was #10?) and take Mahomes. The team went 10-6 and had Alex Smith, Eric Berry, Travis Kelce, Marcus Peters, Tyreek Hill, Kareem Hunt, Justin Houston, Mitchell Schwartz, Eric Fisher, Chris Jones, Allen Bailey, Tamba Hali, Daniel Sorensen, Derrick Johnson, Darrelle Revis, and Harrison Butker. There wasn't 40%+ roster turnover. Mahomes took over an already good team, just look at what they did with Smith running the show:

2017: 10-6, division champs
2016: 12-4, division champs
2015: 11-5, wildcard spot
2014: 9-7
2013: 11-5, wildcard spot 

The Kansas City Chiefs were a complete, competent football team before spending the draft capital to move up and get their guy. After sustained success, they won a Super Bowl. How is that not what we should be shooting for?

Commenting in applicable topics is not 'going out of my way to criticize' - that's the point of a message board, no? To share opinions? 

To your premise the Chiefs also did jack in the playoffs those years, including blowing a 28 point lead to the Colts, which is the whole freaking point that you inadvertently continue to support. They built the roster with Smith at QB (who also at one point went 21 straight games without throwing a TD to a WR) and he couldn't get it done year after year, so they got Mahomes and made it over the hump.

I'm not saying that KC knew Mahomes would be this good; I'm sure they had confidence but tough to see something like this coming. However, they were confident that Smith's play was at least replaceable and they took a shot to improve a weakness that got them a Super Bowl.

Sticking with things I'm not saying, nowhere have I said Carolina needs to draft a QB in this upcoming draft and nowhere have I said that Carolina missed out on a guy this year (though I would have been fine with drafting one). If they decide to stick with Teddy then fine, but the data thus far do not seem to support such a decision and they would appear to be choosing to limit the offense and chase that unicorn roster. No thanks.

 

[Sgt Schultz]

14 hours ago, hepcat said:

We’re hard on him because the team would be 9-0 right now if Teddy was clutch 

If you believe there is ANY circumstance that this team would be 9-0, contact me at once.  I am unloading my inventory of bridges at historically low prices.

I enjoy reading your posts and all, so I mean no disrespect to you.  But this one is absurd.

[Dragoon11]

12 hours ago, Mr. Scot said:

Mahomes helps that stay...a lot.

It's the same as when the Colts had Peyton. He'd put teams behind by a couple touchdowns or more early and the defense could just go wild.

 I get what you are saying sure, but STILL... They are a top 5 or 6 defense across the board, they're legit, and we put up 31 on them. How are they on third down? How are the Panthers? The Panthers have the ability to sustain drives much like KC. It isn't like our defense is ALWAYS on the field. Panthers defense is just too inexperienced. They need to be more consistency in the pass rush, creating turnovers and getting off the field on third down... They will get there, everyone just needs to be patient with the process. 

[Mr. Scot]

Just now, Dragoon11 said:

But STILL... They are a top 5 or 6 defense across the board, they're legit. How are they on third down? How are the Panthers? The Panthers have the ability to sustain drives much like KC. It isn't like our defense is ALWAYS on the field. Panthers defense is just too inexperienced. They need to be more consistency in the pass rush, creating turnovers and getting off the field on third down... They will get there, everyone just needs to be patient with the process. 

You want to keep our offense on the field because the defense right now is bad.

I'm hoping they get better, but right now, yikes.

[Dragoon11]

Just now, Mr. Scot said:

You want to keep our offense on the field because the defense right now is bad.

I'm hoping they get better, but right now, yikes.

Yes, time of possession game... Ball control offense. I agree with you, we're not very good on defense... Especially against elite offenses like KC, TB, NO.

[Mr. Scot]

7 minutes ago, Dragoon11 said:

Yes, time of possession game... Ball control offense. I agree with you, we're not very good on defense... Especially against elite offenses like KC, TB, NO.

No, were not.

Most people put that on personnel, and it's a valid argument with regard to the back seven. Though with that said, analyst criticism that Phil Snow was using "high school zone concepts" against Drew Brees gives me pause 

[CanadianCat]

Brining in Teddy was one of the best decisions the Franchise made.

We HAD to move on from Cam and yet to successfully sell a new program you need to show and prove success, thus they needed a competent QB. This is what we are doing. We have a team that is in a multi year rebuild, but playing competitive and keeping it close. 

Is Teddy the guy? Probably not long term but we can put a lot of pieces in place before hand and are not rushed to trade the future in the meantime. 

 

We just all need to R E L A X, this has always been the plan. 

 

 

[raz]

24 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

No, were not.

Most people put that on personnel, and it's a valid argument with regard to the back seven. Though with that said, analyst criticism that Phil Snow was using "high school zone concepts" against Drew Brees gives me pause 

you mean joe staley?   just stop

[Sgt Schultz]

32 minutes ago, CanadianCat said:

Brining in Teddy was one of the best decisions the Franchise made.

We HAD to move on from Cam and yet to successfully sell a new program you need to show and prove success, thus they needed a competent QB. This is what we are doing. We have a team that is in a multi year rebuild, but playing competitive and keeping it close. 

Is Teddy the guy? Probably not long term but we can put a lot of pieces in place before hand and are not rushed to trade the future in the meantime. 

 

We just all need to R E L A X, this has always been the plan. 

 

 

Patience is not something plentiful around here.  We prove the old rule that the number one cause of disappointment is unrealistic expectations.  My only disappointment this year has been the Atlanta loss.

We have talent in spots, but we have a lot more spots where people are playing that may not make other NFL rosters.  The fact that we have been competitive in every game is a credit to the coaching staff building a scrappy attitude in this team, who apparently believes they can win these games. 

If we add enough talent in other positions (OL, cough, cough, LB, secondary, and TE), we will start winning some of them. 

Yesterday, we were one missed offsides call (it looked to me) and/or one first down away from perhaps beating a very good defending champion on their field.  Not bad for a team with an OL that could not protect an Abrams Tank, LBs that can't cover one of us running a pattern within 10 yards of the LOS, and a secondary that might not be able to handle anything better than a high school zone scheme.

[Moo Daeng]

Because they were/are obsessed with Cam and have different standards based  in this.