Why is everyone so hard on Teddy?

[Mother Grabber]

2 minutes ago, TikTOK said:

Cam Newton did it in 2015 

the defense wasn’t bad, iirc

[PantherOnTheProwl1523]

4 hours ago, SmokinwithWilly said:

We dont know what Teddy is right now. He's got a 1sr year NFL coach and OC, a shitshow for an oline, and is playing without the benefit of preseason. I dont think it's fair to judge him quite yet.

This is the best comment in this thread and correct.  

[Mr. Scot]

5 hours ago, Proudiddy said:

He's paid 24M a year to be a franchise QB, and he has yet to play like one when it mattered.  Again, great guy, and yes, he is playing behind an absolute poo OL,  but you pay a guy that much money to win you games with big-time plays, not manage them.  I give it to him though, that 4th and 14 scramble today was the type of stuff we've needed from him.  But, still, his decision-making in clutch situations has been really bad for the most part.

24 million is not a franchise QB salary, not today.

Bridgewater is not an elite QB. He's also not a terrible QB. People insisting he has to be one or the other aren't living in the real world 

I do think he'd be reasonably successful with a better line protecting him, but that better fits the persona of a system quarterback, not a franchise quarterback.

Can he win games if we build a better team around him? Yeah.

Is he going to elevate the performance of his teammates? Probably not.

I haven't moved past seeing him as a transition quarterback and maybe a decent backup, and I doubt I will.

[PantherOnTheProwl1523]

1 hour ago, Icege said:

Ultimately, there are Huddlers that believe you build a successful, Super Bowl winning franchise by getting whatever they believe is a franchise QB by any means necessary asap while there are other Huddlers that believe you build a successful, Super Bowl winning franchise by building a complete roster.

Both models have worked, just comes down to preference.

A franchise QB is good to get to a SB but having an actual SB winning roster is what we need not just a QB is beyond better than we have ever had since Delhomme days and our first SB appearance. 

[ChibCU]

3 hours ago, KSpan said:

I'm a Teddy critic/realist and fit in none of those 3 categories (don't really follow college football at all). I'm just tired of this franchise settling for mediocrity and would prefer to pursue top-tier performance at every position, especially QB, be it through the draft or otherwise. While a decent QB Teddy has shown nothing to indicate that he fits that bill.

Let’s just invoke our claim of salary cap immunity and build a roster of “top-tier” performers or ask to be given 30 draft picks this year. 
 

Do you know anything about roster building? We clearly indicated that this would be a multi-year rebuild for hopes of title contention later and you want us to have Mahomes and All Pro talent. 

[shaq]

5 hours ago, SmokinwithWilly said:

We dont know what Teddy is right now. He's got a 1sr year NFL coach and OC, a shitshow for an oline, and is playing without the benefit of preseason. I dont think it's fair to judge him quite yet.

And the best Panthers WR core of all time plus CMC...

[SizzleBuzz]

51 minutes ago, TikTOK said:

Cam Newton did it in 2015 

Who else?

[Mr. Scot]

11 minutes ago, shaq said:

And the best Panthers WR core of all time plus CMC...

The 1999 group with Smith, Moose and a healthy Patrick Jeffers might contend for that crown.

With that said, this is undoubtedly the best group we've had in a long time.

[SizzleBuzz]

2 hours ago, Mr. Scot said:

The 1999 group with Smith, Moose and a healthy Patrick Jeffers might contend for that crown.

With that said, this is undoubtedly the best group we've had in a long time.

..and a big key is how Teddy's "game management" has elevated Robby Anderson from the presumed Panthers #2 to a borderline-NFL-elite #1...

...the "franchise QB" who R.A. played with previously failed to produce like results.

[GoobyPls]

To be honest this is the best possible outcome, we are losing in competitive games so when can still draft a QB.

 

I can see why people are frustrated, these are the best weapons we’ve ever had and Teddy leaves a ton of plays on the field. I seriously believe if we had Herbert we would be in top of the nfc south 

[Icege]

8 hours ago, TikTOK said:

And usually it’s the teams with a franchise QB that have won a Super Bowl. 

On the surface level, maybe. Those teams have usually been complete teams as well. For example, folks point at KC but also ignore that the offense has an OL that can protect to go along with a plethora of weapons. Their defense is also a strong unit as well. That's a complete roster that was built ready for Mahomes when they had an opportunity to take a QB..

[Icege]

7 hours ago, KSpan said:

Your first group is only half-true because you build the roster regardless, but they don't pass on getting a franchise guy just because you already have a QB who is 'decent enough'. The second group is perhaps fine settling and taking their chances, but both want the best players everywhere.

Call the first one the Kansas City Model if you like, as that's an exact example of the difference a QB brings to the table wheb the rest of the roster and staff don't have to be perfect to win.

KC already had a roster built for Mahomes.

It's funny that the only folks trying to claim one way is better are the ones that hate Teddy. 

[raz]

some of y'all are a broken record - acting like the situation has been going on 9 years like it was rivera, acting like o-line is no big deal, like we had great qb play for 9 years when we had great qb play for 1 year...   we are so far ahead of where we thought we would be.  our D is not good.   our 0 is not real good.   teddy's salary is not franchise qb money.   just shut the fug up already.  teddy is good enough to evaluate the roster with, to set a culture with, and to get ready for a qb the coaches think can really run the system they want to run.   we may get a qb this year, we may get one next year or the year after.   we're supposed to be on a 5 year deal and it looks like we're ahead of schedule.   these games are a lot better than any of us thought they would be.  try disassociating your self worth from your hot takes, or waiting until we pass on a qb you want in the draft to lose your damn minds over teddy.  there is literally not 1 damn thing that can be done about it right now.    fixing the 0-line is the number 1 priority on offense.  it has priority.   we all know - deep down in our football hearts - what happens when you don't. we've lived it

[KSpan]

7 hours ago, ChibCU said:

Let’s just invoke our claim of salary cap immunity and build a roster of “top-tier” performers or ask to be given 30 draft picks this year. 
 

Do you know anything about roster building? We clearly indicated that this would be a multi-year rebuild for hopes of title contention later and you want us to have Mahomes and All Pro talent. 

What is your point? Where did I say that it should all be done now or immediately? What I said was that we should not pass on a QB simply because Teddy is 'good enough'. Simple as that.

51 minutes ago, Icege said:

KC already had a roster built for Mahomes.

It's funny that the only folks trying to claim one way is better are the ones that hate Teddy. 

For the millionth time no one hates Teddy. Objectively assessing his performance is not hate. He and his offense have failed to close the game for 4 weeks now, let alone the shortcomings before then. That's simply a fact.

To your overall comment you seemingly support my point entirely - KC did not sit tight with Alex Smith because he was 'good enough' and hope they'd have a unicorn season. They built the roster, including the coaching staff, and got their guy when he was available. Mahomes put them over the top.

In the interim they performed well in the regular season and failed, sometimes spectacularly, in the playoffs against top tier competition... That should not be the goal.