Will Bridgewater complete a single game winning drive in the 4th quarter this season?

[Mr. Scot]

8 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

I think it's a third OL, a third QB, and a third missing our most dynamic offensive player most of the season. I don't think there's any one aspect to blame. My issue with our QB situation is that you need everything else to go right and that's a steep ask in the NFL.

One of my reads on Bridgewater has been that he can be very good but needs a close to ideal situation around him to reach that level.

Basically that's a system quarterback, and that's what I would call Bridgewater.

You can win with guys like that, and sometimes you can win a lot, but they're not the kind of player that's going to elevate their teammates.

[nctarheelreincarnated]

5 minutes ago, panthers55 said:

First of all we aren't ass we are inconsistent. We make good plays and bad. But we are not playing good zone either.  Matchup zone requires you to play man when guys come into your zone and attack the receiver not stand there and wait until the receiver catches it and then run to the ball. The zone we are playing is terrible and too predictable. We rush 3 guys on 3rd and long and let them convert. 

If your secondary sucks you don't play bend don't break because that just does what we see now. We stop no one and good quarterbacks pick us apart.  You need to mix things up and generate pressure. Look at what KC did yesterday blitzing regularly. We scored but had to make herculeon efforts to do it while letting a TE get 150 yards and make wide open catches. We need to generate pressure and threaten to blitz and be unpredictable. We need to sell out more and if we get burned so be it. I want an aggressive scheme that improves as our personnel improves and guys understand the defense. Much like we did with McDermott where we struggled his first year or two but built a really good defense. 

The personnel isn’t there to match what you want on defense. Pretty straight forward. 

[nctarheelreincarnated]

Just now, Mr. Scot said:

One of my reads on Bridgewater has been that he can be very good but needs a close to ideal situation around him to reach that level.

Basically that's a system quarterback, and that's what I would call Bridgewater.

You can win with guys like that, and sometimes you can win a lot, but they're not the kind of player that's going to elevate their teammates.

Yeah, recently, other than Foles, trends show you need more than a system QB to win a SB. 

[LinvilleGorge]

1 minute ago, Mr. Scot said:

One of my reads on Bridgewater has been that he can be very good but needs a close to ideal situation around him to reach that level.

Basically that's a system quarterback, and that's what I would call Bridgewater.

You can win with guys like that, and sometimes you can win a lot, but they're not the kind of player that's going to elevate their teammates.

Yep. Basically Teddy can help you not lose but he can't really help you win.

[Mr. Scot]

1 minute ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Yep. Basically Teddy can help you not lose but he can't really help you win.

That's an ideal quarterback for Ron Rivera.

Matt Rhule? I don't know yet.

[nctarheelreincarnated]

1 minute ago, Mr. Scot said:

That's an ideal quarterback for Ron Rivera.

Matt Rhule? I don't know yet.

Rivera is probably loving life now with Alex Smith as the projected starter. 

[KSpan]

7 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

One of my reads on Bridgewater has been that he can be very good but needs a close to ideal situation around him to reach that level.

Basically that's a system quarterback, and that's what I would call Bridgewater.

You can win with guys like that, and sometimes you can win a lot, but they're not the kind of player that's going to elevate their teammates.

Get out of here with that burning Teddy hate.

Sarcasm aside, this is exactly the take that most 'haters' have, and it's completely reasonable.

[panthers55]

10 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

We're doing a pretty good job of limiting our opponent's points. We're not doing a very good job of turning yardage into points ourselves.

We are giving up 25 points a game how is that decent. Just because you are ranked 15th doesn't mean you are doing well.

 

We are also 30th in sacks, 23rd in interceptions, 23rd in plays allowed, 23 in first down surrendered.  

We are 32nd in allowing plays per drive, 23rd in points per drive and 25th in yards allowed per drive.

 

Why isn't the defense even worse? The offense is controlling the clock and trying to keep other teams off the field to help the defense. While the defense is getting no one off the field and not giving the offense good field positions.

[Mr. Scot]

7 minutes ago, KSpan said:

Get out of here with that burning Teddy hate.

Sarcasm aside, this is exactly the take that most 'haters' have, and it's completely reasonable.

Yeah, and I've actually defended Bridgewater plenty . He's nowhere near as close to terrible as some folks would have you believe.

But is he "the guy"? Doubt it.

[nctarheelreincarnated]

1 minute ago, panthers55 said:

We are giving up 25 points a game how is that decent. Just because you are ranked 15th doesn't mean you are doing well.

 

We are also 30th in sacks, 23rd in interceptions, 23rd in plays allowed, 23 in first down surrendered.  

We are 32nd in allowing plays per drive, 23rd in points per drive and 25th in yards allowed per drive.

 

Why isn't the defense even worse? The offense is controlling the clock and trying to keep other teams off the field to help the defense. While the defense is getting no one off the field and not giving the offense good field positions.

So, yeah. Look at the roster, and ask yourself are those numbers on par or better than you expected with this roster? If your answer is on par, or better. You’re footballing correctly. If you look at that roster, and expect better than that. I don’t know what to tell you. 

[Mr. Scot]

26 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

I think it's a third OL, a third QB, and a third missing our most dynamic offensive player most of the season. I don't think there's any one aspect to blame. My issue with our QB situation is that you need everything else to go right and that's a steep ask in the NFL.

McCaffrey is a near ideal WCO back.

His presence is definitely missed, and unfortunately it sounds like it's going to be missed for a little longer.

[panthers55]

13 minutes ago, nctarheelreincarnated said:

The personnel isn’t there to match what you want on defense. Pretty straight forward. 

Not at all. We aren't playing well now. It isn't as if being predictable and playing prevent defense wins games. Who doesn't know that? Yet that is exactly what a bend don't break defense does. When you have a suspect secondary you don't give time for QBs to pick you apart you generate pressure and limit the time they have. This is basic football. Pretty straight forward 

[WarHeel]

45 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

It means they're bad at scoring. Considering that's the primary function of offense, well that ain't good.

You have to be able to consistently move the ball down the field to score in the first place. We can cherry pick stats all day or we can recognize that the offense, while it could use some spark in the red zone and end game drives, has performed well overall. Especially when our best player went down, it was nice to see so many guys stepping up. 

[WarHeel]

34 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

That's a situation more typical of offenses that are heavily vertical. As has been mentioned, a lot of Brady's attack is based on horizontal concepts. Even so, lack of room is going to limit you in one way or another.

The biggest thing for me about the Red Zone woes is that we don't have an offensive line that can just impose their will on the opponent's defense.

Precisely my point. We can’t hang the burden solely on Teddy. When the guy plays consistent football for 95% of the game it’s time for some of the other 52 guys to step up and do their part as well.