Will Bridgewater complete a single game winning drive in the 4th quarter this season?

[Shotgun]

1 minute ago, Zod said:

Do you know that the actual season stats make this statement look really silly? Nah, I am sure you don't. 

He can make deep passes to wide open receivers when the opposing d is stacking the box, but at the end of the game when he needs to throw  high velocity passes into tight windows.....he cant. I've known this for years, its who he is.

[Swaggasaurus]

Ought to be used to it. 

[LinvilleGorge]

6 minutes ago, panthers55 said:

That is because the defense can't get off the field which limits our opportunities to get the ball. Bend don't break means you die by a thousand cuts and usually lose if you can't limit scoring. The best bend don't break defenses are stout in the redzone and limit opponent scoring. We did that in the first half yesterday but not in the second.

We're doing a pretty good job of limiting our opponent's points. We're not doing a very good job of turning yardage into points ourselves.

[KSpan]

15 minutes ago, Zod said:

For someone not understanding the game, I am sure it seemed funny. 

KC was taking away the deep ball and giving up everything underneath and in the middle of the field. Joe and Teddy understood that a winnable counter there is to take the underneath and wait for a big play in the middle to open up and spike the ball. If Curtis doesn't fall down on the 23 yarder but instead gets 5-6 more yards it could have been ball game. 

 

I'd be interested to see the all-22, which I don't have access to so can't really make definitive statements. It's an n of 1 but it stuck out to me that on that first and 20 both KC safeties were 8 yards off the ball... they sure weren't worried about anyone going over the top at that time.

[nctarheelreincarnated]

11 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Stats would have told you our offensive line is doing a good job.

This is why you don't go by stats.

So you just go by eye test? Not results or stats? If that's the case, 3 SEC teams, and Clemson make it in the CFB Playoff ever year. 

[Mr. Scot]

16 minutes ago, WarHeel said:

If we consistently make it to the red zone but fail to score does that mean our offense is bad as a whole or lacking success in one particular facet?

That's a situation more typical of offenses that are heavily vertical. As has been mentioned, a lot of Brady's attack is based on horizontal concepts. Even so, lack of room is going to limit you in one way or another.

The biggest thing for me about the Red Zone woes is that we don't have an offensive line that can just impose their will on the opponent's defense.

[LinvilleGorge]

2 minutes ago, KSpan said:

I'd be interested to see the all-22, which I don't have access to so can't really make definitive statements. It's an n of 1 but it stuck out to me that on that first and 20 both KC safeties were 8 yards off the ball... they sure weren't worried about anyone going over the top at that time.

When we were playing the Saints, in late game situations they more often than not had all 11 within 10 yards of the OL. They weren't worried about Teddy beating them deep and took away the intermediate routes and invited the checkdown. That staff knows Teddy better than anyone and knew exactly how to defend us in that situation.

[Mr. Scot]

2 minutes ago, nctarheelreincarnated said:

So you just go by eye test? Not results or stats? If that's the case, 3 SEC teams, and Clemson make it in the CFB Playoff ever year. 

If a quarterback has a lousy completion percentage, can the stats tell you if it's because his throws are off or that his receivers are missing the passes?

When your offensive line is getting beaten like a drum but the quarterback isn't being sacked because he's getting rid of the ball fast, will the stats show that?

Football is a sport with a million variables. So yes, the eye test is more reliable than just looking at a bunch of stats and trying to put something together based on that.

[LinvilleGorge]

2 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

That's a situation more typical of offenses that are heavily vertical. As has been mentioned, a lot of Brady's attack is based on horizontal concepts. Even so, lack of room is going to limit you in one way or another.

The biggest thing for me about the Red Zone woes is that we don't have an offensive line that can just impose their will on the opponent's defense.

I think it's a third OL, a third QB, and a third missing our most dynamic offensive player most of the season. I don't think there's any one aspect to blame. My issue with our QB situation is that you need everything else to go right and that's a steep ask in the NFL.

[TLGPanthersFan]

The coaches need to tell Teddy you can throw the ball past the 10 years line.

Yeah, yeah. Good for him on the 4th and 14. These final drives are getting so predictable I muted the TV and went back to reading because I knew the team wouldn’t convert. 
We had a minute 30 when the drive began and by the time we reach midfield it was almost at less than 15 seconds with no timeouts. Ugh. 
You need a sense of urgency and stop that stupid dinking and dunking. Especially when you are less than 2 minutes and no timeouts. Why are you throwing it in the middle of the FIELD?
Game had a lot of good moments but a lot Of the reason we were in it was because we, somehow, kept winning the trick play coin tosses. 

[nctarheelreincarnated]

Just now, Mr. Scot said:

If a quarterback has a lousy completion percentage, can the stats tell you if it's because his throws are off or that his receivers are missing the passes?

When your offensive line is getting beaten like a drum but the quarterback isn't being sacked because he's getting rid of the ball fast, will the stats show that?

Football is a sport with a million variables. So yes, the eye test is more reliable than just looking at a bunch of stats and trying to put something together based on that.

I think the eye test works sometimes, however results have to matter. Teddy's results matter. Regardless of the offensive line sucking or not. Pretty straight forward. Also, wasn't the offensive line supposed to be a weak spot before the season started, just like the defense? Looks like to me, they're playing better than expected. Because we were rated as the worst offensive line by PFF, I do believe. At least bottom 3. Shrugs. 

[panthers55]

2 minutes ago, nctarheelreincarnated said:

So, you want the defense that has ass for personnel to be better than bend don't break? That sounds awful. Like Seahawks level of defense awful. 

First of all we aren't ass we are inconsistent. We make good plays and bad. But we are not playing good zone either.  Matchup zone requires you to play man when guys come into your zone and attack the receiver not stand there and wait until the receiver catches it and then run to the ball. The zone we are playing is terrible and too predictable. We rush 3 guys on 3rd and long and let them convert. 

If your secondary sucks you don't play bend don't break because that just does what we see now. We stop no one and good quarterbacks pick us apart.  You need to mix things up and generate pressure. Look at what KC did yesterday blitzing regularly. We scored but had to make herculeon efforts to do it while letting a TE get 150 yards and make wide open catches. We need to generate pressure and threaten to blitz and be unpredictable. We need to sell out more and if we get burned so be it. I want an aggressive scheme that improves as our personnel improves and guys understand the defense. Much like we did with McDermott where we struggled his first year or two but built a really good defense. 

[Mr. Scot]

1 minute ago, nctarheelreincarnated said:

I think the eye test works sometimes, however results have to matter. Teddy's results matter. Regardless of the offensive line sucking or not. Pretty straight forward. Also, wasn't the offensive line supposed to be a weak spot before the season started, just like the defense? Looks like to me, they're playing better than expected. Because we were rated as the worst offensive line by PFF, I do believe. At least bottom 3. Shrugs. 

Yes, results matter, but stats and results aren't the same thing.

As to the line, most of the "better than expected" tape comes from games where Russell Okung was healthy, which he now isn't and can't seem to stay that way. Dennis Daley did well yesterday but wasn't even able to finish the game.

So as far as what we likely have to work with for the rest of the season, our offensive line outside of Taylor Moton is terrible.

[LinvilleGorge]

Go ahead and go blitz crazy with this secondary. You're gonna get lit up like a Christmas tree. If we had a FS we could trust I'd say do it.