Will Bridgewater complete a single game winning drive in the 4th quarter this season?

[WarHeel]

50 minutes ago, nctarheelreincarnated said:

Well, he deserves it to be fair. He's got a poo ton of weapons, Snow is working with undrafted Rookies FFS. And, I keep hearing the excuse of the Offensive Line for Teddy. When in reality, while the offensive line isn't the best in the NFL. They're average, because there's lot of bad offensive line play in the NFL right now. Bad defensive play too. 

Offense is clicking fine. We just aren’t going to outshoot teams like the Saints or KC with the defense as it stands.

[nctarheelreincarnated]

Just now, WarHeel said:

Offense is clicking fine. We just aren’t going to outshoot teams like the Saints or KC with the defense as it stands.

I would disagree. As I believe a better QB, even a top 10 QB would win that game yesterday. Probably win vs the Falcons too. 

[WarHeel]

49 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Why are you putting the woes on the defense? We're 23rd in the league in points scored and we knew coming into this season that offense should be our strength and we'd likely only go as far as they could carry us. I tried to point out that wouldn't be far with Teddy at QB. You need one of the best rosters in the NFL to consistently win with Teddy and that's not what we have.

If we consistently make it to the red zone but fail to score does that mean our offense is bad as a whole or lacking success in one particular facet?

[Zod]

Just now, nctarheelreincarnated said:

They didn't though, and Teddy tried to dink and dunk his way down the field with zero timeouts. It was kind of funny to watch. 

For someone not understanding the game, I am sure it seemed funny. 

KC was taking away the deep ball and giving up everything underneath and in the middle of the field. Joe and Teddy understood that a winnable counter there is to take the underneath and wait for a big play in the middle to open up and spike the ball. If Curtis doesn't fall down on the 23 yarder but instead gets 5-6 more yards it could have been ball game. 

 

[SCO96]

13 hours ago, BrianS said:

While I believe there is some merit in the thought that a young team needs to learn to win close games, I don't think that's our problem here.  Learning to win close games sort of implies that the opposing team, while close, was actually in control.  For example, the other team have the ball and are just draining the clock.  That does not apply here. 

In five games, the opposing team has been very much vulnerable and there to be taken.  As a franchise, you cannot ask more than to have the ball at the end of the game with an opportunity to tie or win.  I see a lot of folks saying how good our offense has been, and yes, we've scored a lot of points.  But the offense has not been "clutch".  Regardless of how it happens, when you hand the ball to your offense at the end of the game, you have to go out there and win it.

Listen, for me, this season has been great.  I expected us to be historically bad on both sides of the ball.  The fact is, we've been competitive.  We've played hard.  I am very optimistic for the future.  Yes, it's a little frustrating right now.  But turning this roster into a competitive team against the best the NFL has to offer is no small feat.

The way I see it, if this is what a "rebuild" looks like, I'm super excited to see what it looks like when it's actually "rebuilt".

 

I have a good friend from graduate school who grew up in Kansas. He's been a Chiefs fans since childhood. He lived in New Orleans until Katrina hit so the Saints are his favorite NFC team. He currently lives in Nashville and follows the Titans. He still watches the Saints and Chiefs whenever he can. After seeing us play his two favorite teams (both of whom are strong contenders for Super Bowl spot) he said he thought the Panthers are on the verge of becoming a a major powerhouse in the next year or two. 

We have to get another pass rusher, MLB,  and improve at least one safety position to build an above average defense.

Improving the O-line is must on offense. We already have a lot of talent on that side of the ball, but imagine if we had downfield threat at the TE positon to play along with DJ, Robbie, and Curtis (if he's resigned).

And, the QB play has got to improve at the end of the game. Teddy is competent, but he hasn't been able to pull games out at the end. If he is able to do that he "may" be able to keep the starting job. If not, we'll need to draft a replacement or acquire a veteran via free agency. I think  an elite/Top 10 QB would have this team in the playoffs (or at worst above .500) despite our glaring weaknesses.

[LinvilleGorge]

4 minutes ago, WarHeel said:

If we consistently make it to the red zone but fail to score does that mean our offense is bad as a whole or lacking success in one particular facet?

It means they're bad at scoring. Considering that's the primary function of offense, well that ain't good.

[nctarheelreincarnated]

3 minutes ago, Zod said:

For someone not understanding the game, I am sure it seemed funny. 

KC was taking away the deep ball and giving up everything underneath and in the middle of the field. Joe and Teddy understood that a winnable counter there is to take the underneath and wait for a big play in the middle to open up and spike the ball. If Curtis doesn't fall down on the 23 yarder but instead gets 5-6 more yards it could have been ball game. 

 

I understand the game perfectly fine, your digs aren't funny though. Kind of tiring, and lame. Because I've never said anything about you, ever. Besides the fact you need clicks, hence your consistent positivity about Teddy BridgetothenextQB.

Anyway, yeah. That's cool and all, but you need to throw it down the field without a TO that last drive. And Teddy's last two throws were absolutely horrible, so you can keep your rhetoric up all you want. It's cute, actually. But in the end, he poo his pants, per usual. And his last two throws were absolutely moronic. 

[Mr. Scot]

23 minutes ago, nctarheelreincarnated said:

Every stat, including YPG, Passing Yards per game, Rushing Yards per game, PPG all say the defense is above the bottom 10, middle of the pack, even. If you think this defense is bad, take a good hard look at the Seahawks, Jaguars, and Texans. Those defenses are deplorable. 

Edit: After yesterday, their Rushing Yards Per game is about to go drastically down too. As they only allowed 30 rushing yards. 

Stats would have told you our offensive line is doing a good job.

This is why you don't go by stats.

[Shotgun]

2 minutes ago, Zod said:

For someone not understanding the game, I am sure it seemed funny. 

KC was taking away the deep ball and giving up everything underneath and in the middle of the field. Joe and Teddy understood that a winnable counter there is to take the underneath and wait for a big play in the middle to open up and spike the ball. If Curtis doesn't fall down on the 23 yarder but instead gets 5-6 more yards it could have been ball game. 

 

Teddy being on the field was all that was needed to "take away the deep ball".

[Zod]

1 minute ago, Shotgun said:

Teddy being on the field was all that was needed to "take away the deep ball".

Do you know that the actual season stats make this statement look really silly? Nah, I am sure you don't. 

[Bartin]

31 minutes ago, Zod said:

The defense has forced 2 punts in the past 3 games. 

That ain't average. That is B A D bad. Thank god for eating up the clock on offense. 

Both of those forced punts were in running only, run out the clock situations at the end of the game as well which is even worse. We do seem to be doing pretty decent once the field gets shorter to force FGs but it’s kinda sad that every time the other team gets the ball it’s a free trip inside our 40.

[nctarheelreincarnated]

3 minutes ago, SCO96 said:

I have a good friend from graduate school who grew up in Kansas. He's been a Chiefs fans since childhood. He lived in New Orleans until Katrina hit so the Saints are his favorite NFC team. He currently lives in Nashville and follows the Titans. He still watches the Saints and Chiefs whenever he can. After seeing us play his two favorite teams (both of whom are strong contenders for Super Bowl spot) he said he thought the Panthers are on the verge of becoming a a major powerhouse in the next year or two. 

We have to get another pass rusher, MLB,  and improve at least one safety position to build an above average defense.

Improving the O-line is must on offense. We already have a lot of talent on that side of the ball, but imagine if we had downfield threat at the TE positon to play along with DJ, Robbie, and Curtis (if he's resigned).

And, the QB play has got to improve at the end of the game. Teddy is competent, but he hasn't been able to pull games out at the end. If he is able to do that he "may" be able to keep the starting job. If not, we'll need to draft a replacement or acquire a veteran via free agency. I think  an elite/Top 10 QB would have this team in the playoffs (or at worst above .500) despite our glaring weaknesses.

Same thing my buddy said yesterday watching the Panthers, and he's born and raised a Chiefs fan. He was impressed with the Panthers defense, and he really likes the weapons on offense. He thought the defense did as well as you could against the Chiefs. He said the game plan of taking away the run, and just letting Mahomes get what he gets is smart, considering our lack of personnel on that side of the ball. 

He said we're only a few pieces away, and of course he agreed. Especially after that last drive, Teddy isn't it. 

[panthers55]

17 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

I'm not saying our D is good. We're playing bend but don't break D because our secondary sucks. Clearly our gameplan yesterday was to keep their offense of the field but even after dominating time of possession yesterday we're still only 12th in time of possession. 

That is because the defense can't get off the field which limits our opportunities to get the ball. Bend don't break means you die by a thousand cuts and usually lose if you can't limit scoring. The best bend don't break defenses are stout in the redzone and limit opponent scoring. We did that in the first half yesterday but not in the second.

[nctarheelreincarnated]

Just now, panthers55 said:

That is because the defense can't get off the field which limits our opportunities to get the ball. Bend don't break means you die by a thousand cuts and usually lose if you can't limit scoring. The best bend don't break defenses are stout in the redzone and limit opponent scoring. We did that in the first half yesterday but not in the second.

So, you want the defense that has ass for personnel to be better than bend don't break? That sounds awful. Like Seahawks level of defense awful.