Greg Little was benched

[mrcompletely11]

14 hours ago, woahfraze said:

While that looks bad, if you look at geoff schwartz' video breakdown of this play in another thread, Little wasn't at fault.  They had a slide protection to the left and Little was tracking his assignment. The guy off the edge was a free rusher that the QB has to account for.  The real issue on this play was that Mike Davis missed his block.  Paradis' man in the a gap dropped out or looked like he was going to stunt, so in Paradis was tracking a bit to the right to help Davis with his man, but Davis missed completely helping Paradis block him, allowing the up the middle pressure that didn't allow Teddy to step up away from the free edge rusher/make a good throw.

Don't get me wrong, Little is bad.  But we've got major issues in pass blocking all along the line.

Which thread?  And I dont give a damn about a breakdown of this play you have to get your hands on someone.  He was still in his damn crouch stance while Teddy was being sacked.

[LinvilleGorge]

13 hours ago, SmokinwithWilly said:

I'm still trying to figure out what the hell Hurney saw that made him a 1st round grade.

Don't you remember? Greg Little was a five star recruit and the #1 OL prospect and #1 or #2 overall prospect depending on source coming out of HS. Honestly, that's the last thing that could've happened to make anyone think he was a 1st rounder.

[woahfraze]

33 minutes ago, mrcompletely11 said:

Which thread?  And I dont give a damn about a breakdown of this play you have to get your hands on someone.  He was still in his damn crouch stance while Teddy was being sacked.

 

[mrcompletely11]

11 minutes ago, woahfraze said:

 

Thanks and makes sense but as my brother always says "when in doubt hit somebody".  He played guard in the NFL for 4 years. 

[MHS831]

14 hours ago, Shocker said:

WTF has to fuggin happen to get this fuggin clown Hurney out of here?  It is mind blowing that when he was rehired we all fuggin knew we would up here.  He sucks completely.  So damn frustrating 

I would say that we (with Rhule) seem to have had a good draft---but most of that was based on Rhule's input because the players  drafted fit the profile Rhule described prior to the draft. 

Hurney on his own (2010, when Fox was a lame duck and would have been fired, but JR sensed a strike so he kept fox on---Fox stated later that he was not involved because he know that he would be fired):

The Pure Marty Hurney draft:

1. No pick  (why?  Because Hurney traded away the 2010 first rounder in the 2009 second round so he could get Everette Brown).

2.  Jimmy Clausen (Marty tried to trade up to get Clausen, but the Rams would not deal away pick #33.  It should be stated that Kansas City and Minnesota--both desperately in need of QBs at the time---passed on Clausen, a player Marty boasted that he had with a mid-first round grade.  The passed on him again in the second round.  No red flags in Martyville--who ran to the podium for JC when he fell to #48.

3.  Brandon Lafell would be his best pick on days 1-2, a small-handed WR prone to dropping the ball on occasion.  Still, he would average about 600 yards and 3.5 TDs per season over the next 9 years, noting that his best production would be in New England with Brady as the QB. 

3.  Armanti Edwards--a tiny FCS QB with even smaller hands who has never caught a punt or pass in a game was the player Hurndawg decided to trade up for to make the 89th pick of the draft. How small were his hands?  He gave my middle school son his gloves after an OTA and they were too small.  Most mocks had Armanti in the 7th round/UFA.  Here is the kicker--I read an article that Indy knew we liked Edwards because they publicized the visits to Boone to watch him workout etc.  So they expressed interest in him as well--a commonly practiced tactic most quality GMs would see through--like poker.  That is the reason Marty gave for trading up.  Was that his excuse or did it really happen, but his presser depicts a man who seemed to think that he got over on the Colts.  He stated that he had some capital to trade because Clausen fell to him, suggesting that he tried to trade up and was denied.  So he had some extra coins burning a hole in his pocket, and he spent them on Edwards.

4.  Eric Norwood from South Carolina---this made us all think that the next coach would run the 3-4, because Norwood was not a good fit in the 4-3.  Either way, Norwood was drafted in 2010 in the fourth round and was out of the league following the 2011 season.

5.  Greg Hardy was his best pick--probably ever, if you consider the player and the round value.  However, Marty took a player with more red flags than a Soviet Union military parade, and it worked out, for a while.  I think the pick is interesting because it reveals that character, something valued by coaches probably more than players, was not an issue for Marty--and he was worth the risk in the fifth round.  A good pick, but not sure if he knew what he was doing.  After all, he picked Norwood a round earlier--and he plays the same position in the 4-3.

Later he would draft Tony Pike,  a QB from Cincinnati, which may suggest that he experienced some buyer's remorse concerning Clausen and felt that he needed some insurance.  I dunno.

But the GM is also about re-signing free agents.  When the market was very low at the RB position, Marty drafted RBs in the first round twice (Williams, Stewart).  Later, he gave them both ridiculous contracts (at the time) making them the highest paid RB tandem in NFL history.  "Stewart was extended for $36.5 million over five years, with the ceiling of the contract at $42.5 million and $22.5 million in guarantees. Last summer, the Panthers locked up DeAngelo Williams with a five-year, $43 million deal that included $21 million in guarantees.  These contracts were given to players approaching 30, when the average NFL RB peaks at age 28 and production declines at a rate of 30% a year following that year. (I presented the charts at the time).  So we had $85.5 m tied up in one position--RB--while we were hiring no-name journeyman DTs.  Was that smart?  I think Marty tries to validate his best picks with inflated contracts, making them the highest paid player at his position in the league.

Just a few examples as to why I despise him. 

[woahfraze]

1 hour ago, mrcompletely11 said:

Thanks and makes sense but as my brother always says "when in doubt hit somebody".  He played guard in the NFL for 4 years. 

I understand the sentiment, but he really didn't have time to get back over to his left to block the outside man.  To have been in a position to do so would have meant that he hadn't done his job properly in the protection scheme.

I'm not giving him a pass.  He badly whiffs on plenty of one on one blocks.  So many that he's basically unplayable.  That particular play just wasn't a great example of why.

[mc52beast]

Amazing how many years we’ve been talking about the o-line being trash and how it assisted in Cam getting injured several times...

Maybe under Rhule we finally address the problem

[LinvilleGorge]

1 minute ago, mc52beast said:

Amazing how many years we’ve been talking about the o-line being trash and how it assisted in Cam getting injured several times...

Maybe under Rhule we finally address the problem

When you think about great long-term Panthers offensive linemen, you're pretty much just talking about Jordan Gross and Ryan Kalil.  Kinda the same story at DB. You're pretty much left with just Chris Gamble and Mike Minter. Yeah, we had guys like Norman and Bradberry, but guess what, since we've never valued the position group we let them walk.

Premium position groups like OL, secondary, and WR are probably our historically weakest position groups while we're stacked at LB and RB. Thankfully, we seem to have gotten the hint at WR. Hopefully OL and secondary are next.

[MHS831]

It is really hard to gauge an OL performance watching live---you need to watch what the others do to see what his job was--and the defense to see how and why he did what he did--having said that, I am of this mindset:

His fundamentals have improved a bit. His balance and feet were good when I watched him on an outside rush.  I saw him do a good job of run blocking on one of the plays I watched.  What is the G or back or TE supposed to do on any given pass play?  If you know you are getting a chip, then you cheat inside.  If your G has nobody on him or in the A gap, you communicate so the T knows you have inside help.

Reed has TOTALLY sucked for 2 straight games--he was just below average before that.  The Saints exposed him and the Falcons exploited that exposure. 

The play that told me how clueless he is:  When he needed to slow the defender on a screen.  He barely touched him and gave no appearance  that he was trying to block him.  The defender was in Teddy's face and Teddy had to get rid of it too soon.  Now, not only does the G show block and stop the initial momentum of the defender, he screws up the LB reads if he does it well.  So how much of Little's suckage was on Little?  A lot of it (I have watched the video--he was pretty bad a lot).

[Oldschool Leroy]

thank you for all the good discussion

[Waldo]

This move gives me so much hope for the new staff. They talked him up, gave him some chances and made the call. He doesn't look like any good future at LT. It's time to see if he can contribute elsewhere. Let's see him at LG at some point this year. 

[Mr. Scot]

So I'm guessing everybody's pretty much jumped off the "Greg Little can be our left tackle of the future" bandwagon?

[Jon Snow]

20 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

So I'm guessing everybody's pretty much jumped off the "Greg Little can be our left tackle of the future" bandwagon?

I'm not sure there ever was one.  It never left the barn.

[Martin]

I was absolutely on the bandwagon LOL. But this game sealed the deal, it was rough. I still feel LG is an even bigger need unfortunately. 
 

Would love to see us signing a good LG and draft a C.