Is Teddy Bridgewater the future at QB for the Carolina Panthers

[jdr6000]

Winner, winner someone get Q.Cox a chicken dinner!!

[Q. Cox]

3 hours ago, KSpan said:

He's getting plenty of chances and even without CMC the receiving corps is performing very well. Teddy is not a dynamic QB (been true since college, not just here in Carolina) and this year he's completely faded when it matters most. 

Your caveats/comments above make it seem like little can be expected unless things are perfect around him, which isn't encouraging. He has some pretty stats (a separate discussion) and maybe he turns on some clutch switch inside and maybe not but the data are not positive.

You lost to the Chiefs and Saints by a FG of less in both games w/o your only legit weapon. Somehow, you feel that he needs everything to be perfect for him to win? This is silly. You guys have had a brutal schedule and most the teams you have lost too are some of the best in the league. I don't understand. Outside of the Bears, you have a worse roster than everyone you have lost to. 

[Q. Cox]

I want to be clear, if I have a shot at Lawrence/Fields, I take them. However, I don't think you guys will have a shot at them because Teddy is going to win your many games. 

[LinvilleGorge]

13 minutes ago, Q. Cox said:

I want to be clear, if I have a shot at Lawrence/Fields, I take them. However, I don't think you guys will have a shot at them because Teddy is going to win your many games. 

Teddy has been doing his job as far as I'm concerned. I wanted to compete but I also wanted a high draft pick. We compete all game long and then Teddy chokes on the game winning/tying drive opportunities. Win/win.

 

[SizzleBuzz]

18 hours ago, LinvilleGorge said:

He's getting his fair shake right now.

Just face it, we'd almost certainly have the same record if Kyle Allen was still our QB. Teddy at QB has almost certainly yielded zero additional wins. 

Not from you he's not.

Many expected this team to have 0 or 1 win total and going into the season the Panthers were known to have a bottom-decile roster.   Teddy and the team are both FAR outperforming expectations and as the roster improves it will get even better for both.  

As for the latter --- it's just a ludicrous statement. 

You're certainly entitled to your opinion but it clearly has no real world basis. 

It seems as though you were slagging on Herbert because you saw him as a threat to Cam....and now you're slagging on Teddy because he replaced Cam and you want him to fail for just that reason. 

Only time will tell but I believe you will be sorely disappointed when Teddy continues to thrive and is ultimately signed to an extension. 

We shall see!

[KSpan]

31 minutes ago, Q. Cox said:

You lost to the Chiefs and Saints by a FG of less in both games w/o your only legit weapon. Somehow, you feel that he needs everything to be perfect for him to win? This is silly. You guys have had a brutal schedule and most the teams you have lost too are some of the best in the league. I don't understand. Outside of the Bears, you have a worse roster than everyone you have lost to. 

Again, the ball has been in Teddy/the offense's hands at the end of the game for the past 4 weeks with a chance to win and they couldn't do it. He/they don't magically get a pass for the last drive; these are the 'practice' scenarios that show you can beat the best teams and if a team has played well enough to win then what is stopping them from winning at least one?

Teddy himself has blown two of those games (Chicago, Atlanta) with poor decisions/ridiculous interceptions with no pressure in his face and against the Chiefs he checked down multiple times on the final drive instead of pushing the field, with no throws to the sideline (odd given the situation) and the coaches ultimately deciding to try a 67 yd field goal in strong crosswind (which raises questions in and of itself, as in why elect to not have Teddy throw something given the odds of making that kick). Winning these is what he needs to do to show he's 'the guy' and he's failed. Lots of negative and minimal positive in crunchtime situations.

That's on top of the general lack of driving the ball down the field and seeing defenses week in and week out ultimately sit on the intermediate and short stuff. Can the team win some games with him at QB? Sure. Does he look like he can lead a team to the Super Bowl in anything outside of perfect circumstances? Nothing thus far indicates that he can and, frankly, what I personally don't want to see is the staff settling for 'good enough' and leaving a non-dynamic, high-floor but low-ceiling game manager at QB who leaves little to no margin for error on the part of the rest of the team.

Sorry for the long post. Admittedly might also be some leftover personal disgust with the franchise as a whole after the ridiculous decision to keep Rivera in 2019 (though I think that helps me avoid the dreaded Homer glasses) but I simply can't understand the gushing Teddy praise. He's not a rookie, he's a 5th yr player and 3rd yr starting QB who looks exactly like he always has. This year he gets the team into position, then drops off in the 4th quarter and can't seem to get it done when it matters most... great guy and decent player but he doesn't inspire confidence and that's already gotten old.

Maybe he still flips a switch and turns it on, in which case I'll be the first one to admit I'm wrong.

[SizzleBuzz]

12 hours ago, mrcompletely11 said:

Didn't he get a fair shake last year and again this season?   

How much time does he need to show you he is what he is. 

Its not magically getting better the rest of the year 

My fair shake observation was in reference to the statements and attitude of the poster I responded to.

I don't need any more time!

What were your expectations going into this season?

Were you on board with this statement: 

"We'll see when the games start. It ain't gonna be pretty bud. Panthers fan who expect to be competitive are gonna be wishing they'd cancelled the season."

How about this one:

"Virtually all of our opponents will have a talent advantage. All of them will have coaching experience advantages.  They have virtually every advantage on paper, but fights aren't fought on paper.  Folks, we're not built to compete this year."

 

 

[LinvilleGorge]

22 minutes ago, SizzleBuzz said:

Not from you he's not.

Many expected this team to have 0 or 1 win total and going into the season the Panthers were known to have a bottom-decile roster.   Teddy and the team are both FAR outperforming expectations and as the roster improves it will get even better for both.  

As for the latter --- it's just a ludicrous statement. 

You're certainly entitled to your opinion but it clearly has no real world basis. 

It seems as though you were slagging on Herbert because you saw him as a threat to Cam....and now you're slagging on Teddy because he replaced Cam and you want him to fail for just that reason. 

Only time will tell but I believe you will be sorely disappointed when Teddy continues to thrive and is ultimately signed to an extension. 

We shall see!

Cam was released a full month prior to the draft. You're reaching. The D has not been good, but it has been a lot better than anyone expected. The offense has been about what most expected, but not good enough to win. The D has given them numerous late game opportunities to deliver and they can't get it done when the chips are down.

[SizzleBuzz]

24 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Cam was released a full month prior to the draft. You're reaching. The D has not been good, but it has been a lot better than anyone expected. The offense has been about what most expected, but not good enough to win. The D has given them numerous late game opportunities to deliver and they can't get it done when the chips are down.

Oh yeah but you were slagging on the guy the entire season because there was chatter that the Panthers should step up and draft a legit QB-heir and Herbert was a logical possibility and seen as a threat to Cam.

Rome wasn't built in a day.

Do you believe Aaron Rodgers as a "franchise quarterback"?

[LinvilleGorge]

2 minutes ago, SizzleBuzz said:

Oh yeah but you were slagging on the guy the entire season because there was chatter that the Panthers should step up and draft a legit QB-heir and Herbert was a logical possibility and seen as a threat to Cam.

Rome wasn't built in a day.

Do you believe Aaron Rodgers as a "franchise quarterback"?

I didn't like what he showed at Oregon in that system. Nice revisionist history.

[Rockahype]

6 hours ago, Q. Cox said:

What exact do you want Teddy to do?

You should take a look around because it's been repeated here on Carolina Huddle ad nauseam.

He has to learn how to be someone other than Steady Teddy when push comes to shove. 

I'm going to post this again because it's really all the evidence needed.

These are the QBs who've won a Super Bowl since the Panthers entered the league. 

What fan, coach, owner, player or water boy picks Teddy over any of these guys during their championship season?

Troy Aikman
Brett Favre
John Elway
Kurt Warner
Trent Dilfer
Tom Brady
Brad Johnson
Ben Roethlisberger
Peyton Manning
Eli Manning
Drew Brees
Aaron Rogers
Joe Flacco
Russell Wilson
Nick Foles
Patrick Mahomes

[SizzleBuzz]

55 minutes ago, Rockahype said:

These are the QBs who've won a Super Bowl since the Panthers entered the league. 

What fan, coach, owner, player or water boy picks Teddy over any of these guys during their championship season?

Troy Aikman
Brett Favre
John Elway
Kurt Warner
Trent Dilfer
Tom Brady
Brad Johnson
Ben Roethlisberger
Peyton Manning
Eli Manning
Drew Brees
Aaron Rogers
Joe Flacco
Russell Wilson
Nick Foles
Patrick Mahomes

Who are you suggesting the Panthers should grab now that is better "any of these guys during their championship season"...?

[Rockahype]

6 minutes ago, SizzleBuzz said:

Who are you suggesting the Panthers should grab that is better "any of these guys during their championship season"...?

I'll wait until you are able to respond with something constructive and of value to this discussion. 

[SizzleBuzz]

43 minutes ago, Rockahype said:

I'll wait until you are able to respond with something constructive and of value to this discussion. 

I've been clear about my belief that the long-term solution is already in the lineup wearing #5.

What solution do you proffer up?