Is Teddy Bridgewater the future at QB for the Carolina Panthers

[LinvilleGorge]

9 minutes ago, Q. Cox said:

Maybe, your WRs aren't winning in the redzone because they are mostly undersized guys (including Anderson who is tall but not stout). Then again, its an 8 game sample size.  

Scoring TDs has always been an issue for Teddy. It's not like it's a new thing this year.

[KSpan]

38 minutes ago, Q. Cox said:

Also forgot to point out that with the Vikings Teddy had the best QBR in the final 2 mins of games in the league. He was also highly ranked in game winning drives (1st or 2nd i think). Clutch isnt a problem for Teddy. When the focal of your offense comes back, his play will elevate even more. 

He's been ineffective and un-clutch at the end of games this year. It's been 4 consecutive games where he and the offense have had the ball in their hands to win or tie and they've failed, at least twice directly because of his decisions. While that deserves a degree of credit the end-of-game failures are self-contained and not indicative of someone who can win big games. He also made costly errors a game or two earlier in the year but that could have been considered growing pains.

Agreed that he's a great guy but IMO (and others here) he has done next to nothing to show he's more than a placeholder, and my information from his time in Minnesota seemed very underwhelming as well. I daresay memories may be rose-colored? I know I find myself remembering primarily the good about likable Panthers players of years past.

Anyway, taking your story at face value (no disrespect intended... never really know on the internet these days) thanks for dropping by. Always good to hear from fellow fans around the league.

[Q. Cox]

2 minutes ago, KSpan said:

He's been completely ineffective and un-clutch at the end of games this year. It's been 4 consecutive games where he and the offense have had the ball in their hands to win or tie and they've failed, at least twice directly because of his decisions. While that deserves a degree of credit the end-of-game failures are self-contained and not indicative of someone who can win big games. He also made costly errors a game or two earlier in the year but that could have been considered growing pains.

Agreed that he's a great guy but IMO (and others here) he has done next to nothing to show he's more than a placeholder, and my information from his time in Minnesota seemed very underwhelming as well. I daresay memories may be rose-colored? I know I find myself remembering primarily the good about likable Panthers players of years past.

Anyway, taking your story at face value (no disrespect intended... never really know on the internet these days) thanks for dropping by. Always good to hear from fellow fans around the league.

To be honest, the memories aren't rose colored. He was well liked in Minn. Even when he didn't put up big number because we were a run first offense, he put the team in position to win. He's not Mahomes but not many are. I would atleast give the guy a chance to see what he looks like with his best weapon on the field.  

[Q. Cox]

27 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Scoring TDs has always been an issue for Teddy. It's not like it's a new thing this year.

What stops are you using to quantify this? His time in Minn when he handed off in the redzone to AP? or his stints of limited play everywhere else?

[Breakpoint4510]

2 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Scoring TDs has always been an issue for Teddy. It's not like it's a new thing this year.

Only that it matters more to some than it does to others. In Teddy's rookie year it's been mentioned ad nauseum that Teddy had fourteen touchdown passes in thirteen games.  What they conveniently ignored, forgot, or didn't know was that a back up running back had led the team in scoring with nine red zone touchdowns.  What happened there? Yards and completions.

[Q. Cox]

1 minute ago, Breakpoint4510 said:

Only that it matters more to some than it does to others. In Teddy's rookie year it's been mentioned ad nauseum that Teddy had fourteen touchdown passes in thirteen games.  What they conveniently ignored, forgot, or didn't know was that a back up running back had led the team in scoring with nine red zone touchdowns.  What happened there? Yards and completions.

I don't think people understand how difficult it is for an offense to pivot when the player they are built exclusively for cannot play. In 2014 we were a power run team. All the plays were designed for AP. Lots of 3TE single back formations. Its not surprising he struggles. Add to that that the offense wasn't built to make him comfortable in the gun but instead placed him under center to appease AP (who struggled running from the gun formation). 

[KSpan]

6 minutes ago, Q. Cox said:

To be honest, the memories aren't rose colored. He was well liked in Minn. Even when he didn't put up big number because we were a run first offense, he put the team in position to win. He's not Mahomes but not many are. I would atleast give the guy a chance to see what he looks like with his best weapon on the field.  

He's getting plenty of chances and even without CMC the receiving corps is performing very well. Teddy is not a dynamic QB (been true since college, not just here in Carolina) and this year he's completely faded when it matters most. 

Your caveats/comments above make it seem like little can be expected unless things are perfect around him, which isn't encouraging. He has some pretty stats (a separate discussion) and maybe he turns on some clutch switch inside and maybe not but the data are not positive.

[LinvilleGorge]

It blows my mind that some fans think a game managing QB who doesn't facilitate TDs is part of a winning formula in today's NFL. This isn't the 1980s anymore. Your QB can't be your weak link in the red zone.

[Breakpoint4510]

23 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Your QB can't be your weak link in the red zone.

Someone needs to keep up. September's woes fixed in the Cardinal's game. Red zone touchdowns have not been a problem since. Stop holding grudges.

[LinvilleGorge]

32 minutes ago, Breakpoint4510 said:

Someone needs to keep up. September's woes fixed in the Cardinal's game. Red zone touchdowns have not been a problem since. Stop holding grudges.

No grudges. Just not delusional about a conservative game manager being the long-term answer.

[Breakpoint4510]

The operative word here is delusion. It could be seen as delusional to obsess over a future that you have no control over.  Or, it could be letting a predetermined conclusion influence your perception of reality. An example of that could be your inability to see Teddy Bridgewater as the player he is rather than a configuration if someone you think you know, like say Alex Smith. I does use less head space to compartmentalize players, and then move quickly to judgment. That judgement looks delusional if you try to fit inaccurate and obsolete data into your narrative in order to support your predetermined conclusions. 

[LinvilleGorge]

Teddy seems like a great guy and a great teammate. He's a very intelligent but physically limited QB. Seems like an ideal QB to mentor a young, talented prospect. Which if you look at the contract and our interest in Herbert, it seems like that's the plan.

But, keep thinking Teddy Bridgewater is gonna be our QB for the next decade if you'd like.

[Breakpoint4510]

I'm not making any predictions on Teddy's future. I'm Telling you what Teddy's doing now, and that's giving this team a semblance of respectability. However your ten year prediction doesn't preclude a second contract.

[Mr. Scot]

3 hours ago, Q. Cox said:

3. You oline is struggling. Perhaps they are better than shown

No, they're not.