Oh you guys

[PantherBoy95]

While it's true...and I even agree with the sentiment...you make this thread every week it feels like lmao

[LinvilleGorge]

Everyone expected our defense to be all-time bad and our offense to be pretty good. Our offense is ranked 20th in yards per game and 25th in points scored per game. Now be honest, if you had known this would you have honestly predicted we would have three wins and been competitive in every game so far?

The defense is ranked 14th in yards allowed per game and 15th in points allowed. They're quietly carrying our offense which is quite frankly bad. The concerns about Joe Brady leaving for a HC job can probably chill. 

[RoaringRiot]

Whispers: the best offensive player on the team has missed six games

[Mistuh Jones]

I have like what I've seen in Franklin so far. Get him as many reps as possible and kiss Boston goodbye

 

[Mr. Scot]

Honestly, I just want to know how the hell we managed to make the Falcons defense look better than the Bears defense.

[shaqattaq]

2 hours ago, Zod said:

In August, If I told you the Carolina Panthers defensive backfield would consist of Corn Elder, Troy Pride Jr, Sam Franklin, and Tre Boston you would assumed we would give up 50+ points to Atlanta. That is the absolute worst defensive backfield the Carolina Panthers have ever had and they played together for much of the night. 

Still, the Panthers allowed only 25 points. 

Blast Phil Snow all you want, but Ron Rivera had MUCH worse performances against Matt and Julio WITH guys like Kuechly and Bradberry playing. 

These growing pains were expected. They have been accelerated due to starter injuries. The good news is we are still holding our own all while giving rookies like Chinn, Brown, Roy, Franklin and Pride valuable playing experience. This will pay dividends next season. 

 

Don't discount Hartsfield, he got his licks in too. 

[MHS831]

People often come up to me and say, "My, you are a strapping lad" and "what do you think the Panthers will do this off season to fix their offensive line woes?" 

I have no humble response for the first, but for the second, it is time that I broke my silence and shared my opinions:

1. LT:  It looks as if we are going to need one.  Little is probably nothing more than a reserve, but I have not given up yet.  There are a few who are going to be available rather early in the NFL draft, but if we could get the OT from Oregon Sewell we would have an NFL-ready LT from day one.  Leatherwood (Bama) is the consolation prize (OL from Bama scare me) and Cosmi from Texas later in the first round (a real upside talent--reminds me of Gross in time).  I am becoming convinced that this is the necessary move--not glamorous, and if MH is in charge. 

2.  C:  A center is so important for many reasons and they are in demand.  Paradis is a liability.  I think there are a few college players here that can do the job--a deep draft at C, and the third round could have a gem hidden around #80.  Rounds 2/3: Trey Hill (Georgia) Creed Humphrey (OK) and Josh Myers (Ohio State) are the 2 I think could start, but there are many who are projected to be converted to C.  Sleeper:  Mich St RT Jordan Reid is working out as a C preparing for the NFL.  He could be had late day 3.

3. G:  The most de-emphasized position on offense.  Panther RG Miller is striving to be average.  I still do not know what the deal is with Daley at LG, because he is wounded.  If we go young at C and LT, we need to sign a veteran LG---and do not sign 32 undrafted or low-balling free agents and hope one sticks.  The Falcons saw that was our weakness and attacked it all night.    I say keep Miller but give him competition; find a veteran LG.

The way I see it, before free agency and on Oct 30, 2020:  Yes, we need a CB, MLB, TE, and S.  However, it starts with the OL.  Want to see Bridgewater, CMC, the WRs, and TEs get better?  Build the OL.

Defensively, we have developing players at CB (Pride, Thomas-Oliver) and S (Hayesfield, Franklin) We must have a stud MLB- period.

Exception to the Rhule:  If Micah Parsons is there (MLB) and Sewell (LT) is not on the board, we should take Parsons (MLB).  In most other cases, I see this draft as OT in the first and a C and / or G by the end of day 2.

[hepcat]

3 hours ago, Zod said:

In August, If I told you the Carolina Panthers defensive backfield would consist of Corn Elder, Troy Pride Jr, Sam Franklin, and Tre Boston you would assumed we would give up 50+ points to Atlanta. That is the absolute worst defensive backfield the Carolina Panthers have ever had and they played together for much of the night. 

Still, the Panthers allowed only 25 points. 

Blast Phil Snow all you want, but Ron Rivera had MUCH worse performances against Matt and Julio WITH guys like Kuechly and Bradberry playing. 

These growing pains were expected. They have been accelerated due to starter injuries. The good news is we are still holding our own all while giving rookies like Chinn, Brown, Roy, Franklin and Pride valuable playing experience. This will pay dividends next season. 

 

I thought the same thing about the 2011 Panthers and that didn’t really work out until Hurney got fired 

[ThPantherFan]

3 hours ago, Zod said:

In August, If I told you the Carolina Panthers defensive backfield would consist of Corn Elder, Troy Pride Jr, Sam Franklin, and Tre Boston you would assumed we would give up 50+ points to Atlanta. That is the absolute worst defensive backfield the Carolina Panthers have ever had and they played together for much of the night. 

Still, the Panthers allowed only 25 points. 

Blast Phil Snow all you want, but Ron Rivera had MUCH worse performances against Matt and Julio WITH guys like Kuechly and Bradberry playing. 

These growing pains were expected. They have been accelerated due to starter injuries. The good news is we are still holding our own all while giving rookies like Chinn, Brown, Roy, Franklin and Pride valuable playing experience. This will pay dividends next season. 

 

Finally, a voice of reason.

[Seltzer]

Chris Reed may have had the worst game of any offensive lineman of any game I've watched in recent history.  The only performance that may have been worse was that backup OT for Dallas who gave up like 6 sacks in a game.

Reed was beaten soundly all game.  Paradis looked awful too but I'm not sure how much of that was him trying to help Reed.

The Chiefs and Bucs are going to bring pressure up the middle until the Panthers show they can stop it.  The Falcons were blitzing a lot, but they weren't doing anything exotic.  They just simply outmanned and outplayed our offensive line.  It was depressing.

And I'm not jumping off the Teddy bandwagon yet.  Between the constant barrage of pressure and an unbelievably dirty hit, he showed guts just being out there.

No QB is going to look good with the atrocious Oline play we had.  It was reminiscent of last year.  Just awful, awful protection.

I still don't know about Teddy long-term, but I think the team is better suited for next year sticking with Teddy and continuing to try to fix some of the team around him.  Teddy can win with his supporting cast if we can fix the Oline.

On defense, we got 3 absolute ballers in Burns, Brown, and Chinn, some decent players in Shaq, Jackson, Douglas, and Elder (who has been way better at slot CB than I ever imagined), some serviceable guys like Burris, Boston, Obada, Haynes, Kerr, and Weatherly, a couple of guys for whom the jury is still out in Pride & Franklin, and then Whitehead who should never start again.

Bottom line is we need simply need better talent to compete.

I know people hate the defense Phil Snow is calling, but I truly believe he is doing his best to mask our deficiencies and lack of talent.  I get the criticism of running "high-school zone defense," but I don't know that anything else would be better or be able to be handled by this group.

No pass rush outside of Burns for the most part and limited talent on the backend.  It's a recipe where you're basically conceding a FG in hopes of preventing a TD.

There's simply no way we are going to compete against anyone except the worst teams unless our offense does better.

Anyway, I'm still excited about the direction this team is headed.  I'm hoping the Joe Brady shine has diminished enough to keep him around again next year.  It's hard to playcall when your interior line is getting blown up like that.

[WoahW]

I truly don’t understand the excuses being made. Yes this team is young and should get better, yes the coordinators are new and should find a rhythm, but holy hell, when you just hand wave everything away it’s why the team has been mediocre for so long because it’s acceptable to the fans. You think Steelers fans would be happy outside of a known rebuild window with the depth and poo? 
 

We have some bright pieces but we knew the areas of weakness coming into the season and things weren’t addressed properly, point blank. 

[KillerBill]

Marty Hurney is the master at putting together mediocre teams.  I still have fond memories of 2008 when he last put together a football team with a winning record.

[Snake]

I humblely agree Lord Zod. 

[Snake]

1 minute ago, KillerBill said:

Marty Hurney is the master at putting together mediocre teams.  I still have fond memories of 2008 when he last put together a football team with a winning record.

Hurndog gonna Hurney.