Get a franchise quarterback or build the offensive line?

[philp]

5 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Worth noting that with a system like ours, a franchise QB isn't necessarily the same thing it would be on a team like Rivera's Panthers..

Kyle Allan just couldn’t bail Rivera and Co out when it came down to the end. Funny enough, it’s probably happening again.

[Mr. Scot]

3 minutes ago, OneBadCat said:

You mean the ability to force throws, evade DEs, have ice cold blood in your veins, and be the constant catalyst for the running game with a shitty offensive line?

Rivera pretty much wanted a quarterback that could be the whole offense.

You don't really have to have that kind of quarterback to win in the NFL, especially not with a system like we're running now.

[Mr. Scot]

1 minute ago, LinvilleGorge said:

All based on our evaluation. If we think there's a franchise QB available, take him. 

I'm not sure there's going to be what we would typically think of as a franchise quarterback available at where we pick in the first round.

There's a lot of season still to come and that could change, but that's where I am now.

[Rags]

4 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

All based on our evaluation. If we think there's a franchise QB available, take him. 

Yep yep.

I'm against trading up but hey if a guy like Trask or Newman gets this coaching staff going I'm all for it.

Pakcers just traded up for Love (didn't cost that much tho) so, hey. 

Doesn't have to be this year either. I remember last season Steelers fans being okay with Trading away their first and when asked "What if big ben sucks next season" they just replied "Well we'll just draft one next season."

Worst case we don't get one this coming offseason, Teddy sucks and then we just move on. 

[Jorgie]

get a defense

[Rags]

3 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

I'm not sure there's going to be what we would typically think of as a franchise quarterback available at where we pick in the first round.

There's a lot of season still to come and that could change, but that's where I am now.

It all depends if you see "Franchise QB" as "1st round only."

A game is on right now where a former college coach didn't draft a QB til his 2nd (maybe 3rd) season and it wasn't til the 3rd.

No reason to think Rhule wouldn't do the same. This teams has done a great job of squeezing water from rocks so far. 

[CBDellinger]

10 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

See above though...

If we're not in a position to get one of the best three two or three quarterbacks available in next year's draft, do you still want to use a first round pick on one?

If they like the prospect enough They should get him.  

llamar went 32, mayfield went 1... same year.  Russ was a 3rd round pick.  

Evaluation is much more important than draft position. This is yet another reason why tanking is stupid. 

[Davidson Deac II]

8 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Rivera pretty much wanted a quarterback that could be the whole offense.

I don't think that is what he wanted, it is what he ended up with.  I do think the Panthers tried to put a better offense around Cam.  They just didn't draft well.    

[Move the Panthers to Raleigh]

Heaven forbid we do both. Unfortunately for the franchise QB, we’ve probably already won too many games this year. Get OL in the upcoming draft and hope we can luck into a later pick for a QB in a couple of years.

[Mr. Scot]

1 minute ago, Davidson Deac II said:

I don't think that is what he wanted, it is what he ended up with.  I do think the Panthers tried to put a better offense around Cam.  They just didn't draft well.    

Oh I think it's what he wanted, and primarily because that's what one of his mentors did.

Buddy Ryan's philosophy when he had Randall Cunningham was that he only needed Cunningham to make two or three big plays a game and his defense would take care of the rest.

Rivera followed pretty much the same blueprint.

[Davidson Deac II]

Just now, Mr. Scot said:

Oh I think it's what he wanted, and primarily because that's what one of his mentors did.

Buddy Ryan's philosophy when he had Randall Cunningham was that he only needed Cunningham to make two or three big plays a game and his defense would take care of the rest.

Rivera followed pretty much the same blueprint.

Then why draft Kelvin Benjamin and Devin Funchess? 

[Mr. Scot]

3 minutes ago, CBDellinger said:

If they like the prospect enough They should get him.  

llamar went 32, mayfield went 1... same year.  Russ was a 3rd round pick.  

Evaluation is much more important than draft position. This is yet another reason why tanking is stupid. 

I'd agree, but if you ask most fans who the franchise quarterbacks in this next draft are, there's pretty much only two or three names you'll hear consistently.

With the system that we run though, I don't think you need that "Superman" under center. A franchise quarterback in this system is probably more like Drew Brees.

[hepcat]

I’d rather have Justin Herbert than whoever that OT the Giants drafted 

[Mr. Scot]

1 minute ago, Davidson Deac II said:

Then why draft Kelvin Benjamin and Devin Funchess? 

Still gotta have guys to catch the ball. Heck, Cunningham had Harold Carmichael.