All of you were right about Cam

[Moo Daeng]

2 hours ago, bababoey said:

I remember the throw in the playoff game to Funches that looked like a wounded duck.  And him not completing a pass for more than 30 yards in the air the second half of the season.  All I am saying is Cam"s body has not been right for a while 

Your memory is foggy because here are Newtons longest air yards completions from week 8 to the Wildcard. What you remember is people saying that. Fortunately we have nextgen stats to remember for us

42.7

32.4

35

35.1

32.8

41.4

29.6

52.4

35.3

[OneBadCat]

13 hours ago, Brooklyn 3.0 said:

Why are you bringing race into this?

Because you can't back up what you're saying. I'm not calling you a racist. I'm saying your argument is ignorant and borders that line. 

 

On 10/25/2020 at 10:57 PM, Brooklyn 3.0 said:

I mean ... come on. Cam was a freak of nature. A once in a decade machine. No one could stop him at the start of his career. No one. He could throw, run, juke, and he scared defenders. But he was never cerebral. He was a burst of life, color, and energy. But he was never elite. And the Panthers record shows it. He had 2015 ... and that's it. Everything else was what you'd expect from a great QB ... which is what he'll be remembered as. But coaches caught on to him, he got older, and then he got hurt. We saw it with Vick too. Both men had a window, and couldn't climb through.

Cam can still get wins, sure. But the record-setting freak (yes, I know he just got one) days are LONG gone. The run over you days are over too. His arm is bruised and  it's old. It's over, guys. I know all of you want 2015 Cam again, but that was ONE season! I know all of you want the insane rookie Cam was, but that era is older than some of your own children. As a lifelong Auburn fan, I loved how he played the game. It was unique. But it can't survive in the NFL. That's just facts. Too many have failed, and the ones that have made it (hi, Mahomes) are ... cerebral. I may have hated the person Cam portrayed himself to be, but I was a Panthers fan always. So I hope he doesn't fizzle out and crash, but ... he missed his window.

 

You also didn't address anything I said:

 

23 hours ago, OneBadCat said:

No offense but I somewhat call bullshit. What proof do you have that Cam isn't "cerebral"? Patrick Mahomes himself admitted he couldn't read a defense until last year. If Cam Newton was such a numbskull why wasn't Luke Keuchly destroying him every day in practice?

Not accusing you of malice but this is an ignorant, if not borderline racist take that has followed Cam his entire career. Colin Cowherd comes to mind. Cam can make audibles, Cam can read a defense. No one ever accused Jake Delhomme of being anti cerebral after his franchise destroying 6 INT game. Or his failure in 2009 after safety blanket Steve Smith finally got covered. 

Cam Newton played his entire career in a high risk high reward offense that relied on him to be the spark for the running game. We played in constant 3rd and longs, bailed out by Greg Olsen or Ted Ginn or a Cam Newton highlight play. His numbers reflected that

All the sudden we get CMC and Norv Turner and Cam's completion percentage goes up and his stats look great. So how much of being cerebral is having the easy plays available to you  versus having to constantly carry the offense?

Cam's a unique player because in his peak form he is a jack knife player. Sometimes in his career the dump off pass, the short throw to an unreliable target(Funchess, Naanee, etc) wasn't the smart move. Why would Cam throw to a crap WR when he knew he could run for the first down?  

 Cam Newton was a championship caliber player. We would have won the SB if the NFL didn't didn't guarantee Peyton's retirement trophy. He's been the most unfairly hated on player for simply being unabashedly black and confident at the biggest leadership position in sports. He might be damaged goods now but he was absolutely the real deal and the Panthers failed him.

 

So please tell us how Cam isn't cerebral?  I'm not trying to  race bait you into it but its just odd to me that its always Cam that has his mental  acumen questioned. And it's been a consistent and disgusting narrative that is projected on him by the media for a long time.

 

[Steve_Smith_Sr.]

Nice to see you all finally accept what we've seen for a long time.

[gorillamilitia13]

It’s been two bad weeks, I’m not giving up yet

[Zaximus]

12 hours ago, Shocker said:

The best player of those guys is without question Cam Newton.   lol

No way.   Peppers is by far the best Panthers player of all time.   Freak athlete, stats, longevity, etc.    I remember Peppers doing just insane things on the field for a DE.    Previous to Peppers only someone like Javon Kearse (the Freak) was doing those things but Peppers took it to a whole new level.    In my opinion, he's the reason people started looking at what they want in the DE position differently.    I really think Peppers is kind of underrated around here.

Luke was great but lacked the longevity.   I think he'll make the HoF but it's not as clear cut as people think.    Smith will have a hard time getting in because the competition is very, very rough with the stats he put up.    And it's going to very hard for Cam to make HoF if this is really the end, there is just a lot of competition in the "passing" generation of the NFL we've been living in.     But find me a season where a QB dominated as much as Cam did in 2015 with his number one receiver being Tedd Ginn, who probably would have had 25 TDs if he didn't drop half of them.   Cam was on a whole other level until the NFL gift wrapped Peyton a Super Bowl on his way out and decided to let people head hunt him.   He was on another level in college too that one year.    Truly dominate.   Imagine if this was his rookie year and he had this coaching staff, and Anderson/Moore/CMC.     It's painful what we wasted.

[MechaZain]

45 minutes ago, therealmjl said:

Cam has always had mental breakdowns at certain times even when he was at the top of his game he completely checked out. One example, 2015 on the road in Atlanta in December and everyone gave him the “he just had a kid” excuse.

The fact is - football isn’t everything to Cam and it never has been...especially not now. He never really cared enough to hone in and refine his mechanics (and never really had a staff to help him do so either) and he is paying the price now that injuries and age have taken their toll.

His career is ultimately over at this point and it’ sucks to see him go out on such a horrific talent depleted offense - but he has set some records that may never be touched and lifted our franchise from the pits of mediocrity to revive a dead fanbase. Looking forward to his retirement and induction into the ring of honor. Jersey should also be retired, though not many can even put on the #1 jersey in the first place- takes some brass balls. 

long live QB1

Completely baseless to say that Cam never cared to improve or that football or that he had conflicts of interest. He's always been very outward and unapologetic about his love of the game. A 250 lb brother from Atlanta doesn't just go vegan for fun.

[Brooklyn 3.0]

11 hours ago, OneBadCat said:

Because you can't back up what you're saying. I'm not calling you a racist. I'm saying your argument is ignorant and borders that line. 

 

 

You also didn't address anything I said:

 

So please tell us how Cam isn't cerebral?  I'm not trying to  race bait you into it but its just odd to me that its always Cam that has his mental  acumen questioned. And it's been a consistent and disgusting narrative that is projected on him by the media for a long time.

 

Because it's my opinion? And it has nothing to do with race. Mahomes and Wilson, for example, I consider cerebral. Vick, no. McNabb, McNair, Moon ... cerebral. And to do the other side ... Baker Mayfield and Johnny Manziel for example? NOT CEREBEAL. See a pattern? Maybe I'm just old, maybe I want the guys on the team I root for to be all business. Saying he's not cerebral has nothing to do with his skill. Cam is talented. But for me, being cerebral means your life is dedicated 100% to the game. Basically Bill Belichick and Luke.

[MHS831]

2 hours ago, Brooklyn 3.0 said:

Because it's my opinion? And it has nothing to do with race. Mahomes and Wilson, for example, I consider cerebral. Vick, no. McNabb, McNair, Moon ... cerebral. And to do the other side ... Baker Mayfield and Johnny Manziel for example? NOT CEREBEAL. See a pattern? Maybe I'm just old, maybe I want the guys on the team I root for to be all business. Saying he's not cerebral has nothing to do with his skill. Cam is talented. But for me, being cerebral means your life is dedicated 100% to the game. Basically Bill Belichick and Luke.

People do not get it.  The more "unathletic" the QB is, it is probable that he had to be more cerebral than others.  Manning and Brady and I think we could put Bridgewater in that category.

People need to think of a developing athlete.  Cam was an athletic prodigy his entire life. He could beat you with his arm, his legs, and mentally intimidate you with his size.  He was gifted with a great arm.  So whenever there was trouble in the pocket--or the team needed a big play from pee-wees through college---what happened in Cam's brain vs. Tom Brady's brain?

Cam's brain: "You know, those WRs are not that open and you can run for the first down--maybe a TD. Run, Cam, Run!" and Cam found success.

Brady's brain:  You have a golden arm and about 3 seconds to find an open WR.  You either pass the ball or throw it away."  and Brady found success.

So when they practice and watch film, they apply what they see to their skill sets.  Tom knows that he must anticipate WRs breaking open sooner and make accurate passes.  Those with his skill set that did not were filtered out.  Brady learned to use his arm and his brain, while Cam was successful using his arm and his legs.  So when Cam is in the pocket, his feet were ready to run at times because his brain was telling them to stand by.  That led to accuracy issues because when his brain said, "Throw it!" his feet were not in position for throwing accurately.  They were like, "Make up your mind, Cam's brain!"

Finally, as a researcher of the brain under stress, the amount of stress is related to the brain's prediction of survival.  Brady must stay more calm and focused to survive and his brain operates more in critical thinking mode than one whose brain is functioning more through the limbic system--more like an animal in survival mode.   His brain is going to tell him to survive, and he will resort to what he has done to survive in the past---in Cam's case--run the ball--drop your shoulder and plow into the linebacker.   Does that mean he is not smart?  No--his brain is in a different place. Brady's brain in survival mode would not equate to success, so he has to remain cerebral to survive.

See my book (image) for more in-depth analysis of the brain and its various modes.  I think it is relatable, and anyone equating on field cerebral functioning needs to consider how the brain--the body's computer--has been wired to meet the needs of that particular athlete.

[Fox007]

5 hours ago, Zaximus said:

 I think he'll make the HoF but it's not as clear cut as people think.    

It actually is considering the people who have those votes have already given some of their commentary on it and it's been completely in favor of. When the main sports channels and commentary has him in and has been nothing but positive it also goes to show how he is viewed as a whole.

The not as clear cut as people think one is Steve Smith, who will likely get in but will take longer than Luke will.

[Brooklyn 3.0]

30 minutes ago, MHS831 said:

People do not get it.  The more "unathletic" the QB is, it is probable that he had to be more cerebral than others.  Manning and Brady and I think we could put Bridgewater in that category.

People need to think of a developing athlete.  Cam was an athletic prodigy his entire life. He could beat you with his arm, his legs, and mentally intimidate you with his size.  He was gifted with a great arm.  So whenever there was trouble in the pocket--or the team needed a big play from pee-wees through college---what happened in Cam's brain vs. Tom Brady's brain?

Cam's brain: "You know, those WRs are not that open and you can run for the first down--maybe a TD. Run, Cam, Run!" and Cam found success.

Brady's brain:  You have a golden arm and about 3 seconds to find an open WR.  You either pass the ball or throw it away."  and Brady found success.

So when they practice and watch film, they apply what they see to their skill sets.  Tom knows that he must anticipate WRs breaking open sooner and make accurate passes.  Those with his skill set that did not were filtered out.  Brady learned to use his arm and his brain, while Cam was successful using his arm and his legs.  So when Cam is in the pocket, his feet were ready to run at times because his brain was telling them to stand by.  That led to accuracy issues because when his brain said, "Throw it!" his feet were not in position for throwing accurately.  They were like, "Make up your mind, Cam's brain!"

Finally, as a researcher of the brain under stress, the amount of stress is related to the brain's prediction of survival.  Brady must stay more calm and focused to survive and his brain operates more in critical thinking mode than one whose brain is functioning more through the limbic system--more like an animal in survival mode.   His brain is going to tell him to survive, and he will resort to what he has done to survive in the past---in Cam's case--run the ball--drop your shoulder and plow into the linebacker.   Does that mean he is not smart?  No--his brain is in a different place. Brady's brain in survival mode would not equate to success, so he has to remain cerebral to survive.

See my book (image) for more in-depth analysis of the brain and its various modes.  I think it is relatable, and anyone equating on field cerebral functioning needs to consider how the brain--the body's computer--has been wired to meet the needs of that particular athlete.

I never said Cam wasn't smart. Cerebral is something very different to me. This is an "internet definition" but it fits what I'm trying to say:

"If you are a cerebral person, no one would ever call you a drama queen. You make decisions using your intelligence and cold, hard facts, instead of your emotions. The word cerebral gets its meaning from cerebrum, which is Latin for "brain." Cerebral people use their brains instead of their hearts."

I want a stone cold, emotionless, laser-focused QB. That's it. Don't read into what I'm saying deeper than you are.

[MHS831]

10 minutes ago, Brooklyn 3.0 said:

I never said Cam wasn't smart. Cerebral is something very different to me. This is an "internet definition" but it fits what I'm trying to say:

"If you are a cerebral person, no one would ever call you a drama queen. You make decisions using your intelligence and cold, hard facts, instead of your emotions. The word cerebral gets its meaning from cerebrum, which is Latin for "brain." Cerebral people use their brains instead of their hearts."

I want a stone cold, emotionless, laser-focused QB. That's it. Don't read into what I'm saying deeper than you are.

No, I was supporting you---just explaining that there are a lot of factors at play.

[Obeg]

On 10/27/2020 at 1:18 AM, gorillamilitia13 said:

It’s been two bad weeks, I’m not giving up yet

Nope but does not get much easier this week against the Panthers North that know him pretty well. 

[SnowPanther]

Dude spends more time on his wardrobe than the playbook. This shouldn't surprise anyone.

[raz]

52 minutes ago, SnowPanther said:

Dude spends more time on his wardrobe than the playbook. This shouldn't surprise anyone.

you have 0 knowledge of the situation.  you just made that up out of thin air.  why don't you show your sources?

throwing bounce passes has nothing to do with studying.