All of you were right about Cam

[CRA]

33 minutes ago, Sgt Schultz said:

I'm the wrong person to cheer for Favre's place in the whole QB pecking order.  I do think he had an incredible arm, and he was extremely competitive.  But I also think he made some of the dumbest throws I have ever seen from an NFL QB in big games.   That came from him expecting his arm to make up for bad decisions.

Maybe I'm in the minority on this, but if I were in a playoff game and I had to choose between Favre's cannon arm and his decisions, or Cam's cannon arm and his decisions, both in their prime, I'd be telling Cam what plays we wanted to run as he was ready to take the field.

Does that mean Cam was a better QB overall?  Not necessarily, but I trust his decision-making with comparable arm strength a lot more than I would have trusted Favre's.

Decsion making is an entirely different discussion.  Was merely highlighting how poo mechanics are only something people care about when a QB isn’t winning. 

If a QB is winning.  Sports talk is raving about the throws. 

[TheSpecialJuan]

Cam needs to slap himself and then fire himself 

[BrizzMachete]

The look on cam face yesterday was the look of defeat , As in he know he’ll never be the same . It finally hit him . Crazy 

[TrevorLaurenceTime22]

1 hour ago, CRA said:

I don't think Brett Favre was lazy.  I don't think Mahomes is lazy.  

you know what all those players consistently do.....have poo mechanics.  

people cheer poo mechanics when the outcome is good.  Look at what Brett did.  He threw a laser off his back foot with his body pointing away from the WR.  How awesome is his arm!!!

 

 

When your shoulder takes a beating and you can't make that throw with the same kind of velocity mechanics matter.

[rico6]

NE is void of talent. If Brady we’re still there he’d already have a “season ending injury” and the results would be the same. Sans Edelman no other offensive player they have would start on any other team. 
 

Honestly looked like Cam has realized this and was trying to force what wasn’t there yesterday.

I feel for him.

[TrevorLaurenceTime22]

59 minutes ago, Cookie Lyon said:

I'm not bitter. Stop speaking in code when you describe a Black person's work ethic.

 

Cam wasn't lazy, If he wants to describe lazy a lazy NFL qb he should bring up Johnny Manziel, Jimmy Clausen, Jamarcus Russell..... they were lazy. If Cam had a flaw it was that he wanted to win so badly he sacrified a longer career for it.

[t96]

34 minutes ago, Cookie Lyon said:

I'm not bitter. Stop speaking in code when you describe a Black person's work ethic.

 

Repeatedly accusing someone of speaking in "racist code" is not very productive. @pantherclaw is a good dude. I agree that there are absolutely people who have racist beliefs and are very vocal haters of Cam because of that (look no further than my backyard in Boston right now coming off his recent couple games...). @pantherclaw is not one of those people. I don't agree with his choice of words either, I don't think Cam was ever lazy or that many of his shortcomings as a passer were his fault (I blame Dorsey/Shula 99% for those) but I don't think it's unreasonable to think Cam could've done better in some of those regards, and is partly responsible for that. I get that sometimes it's tough to separate legitimate criticism from veiled criticism/hate because of how much there is out there (just look at the PFT comments sections...) but I think it's pretty clear that this is a case of legitimate criticism, whether you agree with it or not -- which I don't either.

[uncfan888]

3 minutes ago, TrevorLaurenceTime22 said:

Cam wasn't lazy, If he wants to describe lazy a lazy NFL he should bring up Johnny Manziel, Jimmy Clausen, Jamarcus Russell..... they were lazy. If Cam had a flaw it was that he wanted to win so badly he sacrified a longer career for it.

You've changed your tune 

[TrevorLaurenceTime22]

2 minutes ago, uncfan888 said:

You've changed your tune 

I've never thought Cam was lazy, or a bad player I only try to be level headed (doesn't always work) just because I wasn't in denial about the Cam situation doesn't mean I dislike him or don't respect him, The extreme level of homerism pertaining to the end of his run here was over the top....

[Cookie Lyon]

9 minutes ago, t96 said:

Repeatedly accusing someone of speaking in "racist code" is not very productive. @pantherclaw is a good dude. I agree that there are absolutely people who have racist beliefs and are very vocal haters of Cam because of that (look no further than my backyard in Boston right now coming off his recent couple games...). @pantherclaw is not one of those people. I don't agree with his choice of words either, I don't think Cam was ever lazy or that many of his shortcomings as a passer were his fault (I blame Dorsey/Shula 99% for those) but I don't think it's unreasonable to think Cam could've done better in some of those regards, and is partly responsible for that. I get that sometimes it's tough to separate legitimate criticism from veiled criticism/hate because of how much there is out there (just look at the PFT comments sections...) but I think it's pretty clear that this is a case of legitimate criticism, whether you agree with it or not -- which I don't either.

I'm just calling it like I see it. 

[mrcompletely11]

7 minutes ago, Cookie Lyon said:

I'm just calling it like I see it. 

That is one helluva way to go through life, just itching to find racist code words.  Seems exhausting.

[Sgt Schultz]

45 minutes ago, CRA said:

Decsion making is an entirely different discussion.  Was merely highlighting how poo mechanics are only something people care about when a QB isn’t winning. 

If a QB is winning.  Sports talk is raving about the throws. 

Don't get me wrong, I wasn't thinking your comment was directed at me.  I just have strong feelings that Favre, while a great QB, is also overrated among the upper-echelon of QBs. 

You are right, the talking heads focused (and still do) on "Favre giveth."  They missed the part where "Favre taketh away."  He did both a lot.

[Cookie Lyon]

11 minutes ago, mrcompletely11 said:

That is one helluva way to go through life, just itching to find racist code words.  Seems exhausting.

You and the others that are quoting me are proving my point.

LOL

[t96]

24 minutes ago, Cookie Lyon said:

I'm just calling it like I see it. 

The irony here is the laziness of this response.