Phil Snow's Defense

[panthers55]

The problem is not Phil Snow the aggressive coach sending guys and getting pressure, it is Phil Snow the prevent defense coach who abandons what is working and switches to a prevent defense which has prevented us from winning 3 of the last 4 games.

[PantherPhann89]

55 minutes ago, Varking said:

You were telling people that the only guys criticizing Teddy aren’t actually Panther fans. If you criticize Snow then you aren’t a true Panther fan. Am I doing it right? 

No you're not! My reply was to a post about our fan base treating Teddy Bridgewater like he's public enemy no. 1.

And my actual reply was: "It's not the fan base, it's just those that claim to be fans here..." Criticizing is one thing,  but when your are out right disrespecting the player, saying he's this, he's that, then no... that's not being a fan. That's exactly what I'd expect from someone that's not a fan. 

At no point did I disrespect Phil Snow or his character. I disagree with his coaching style currently being successful without change. 

Fans don't tear down, disrespect and totally attack players on the team they support. 

[hepcat]

Panthers defense scored two TDs because of Jeremy Chinn but also allowed a crucial 11 points in the final 2 minutes of the 1st half and 2nd half of the game. Has this team managed to stop a team from scoring before halftime at all this season?? Nope.

[Jeremy Igo]

Give him one more nfl caliber corner and safety and his defense will be top 5. He is working with guys that likely would not make other squads at the moment. 

 

[PantherPhann89]

17 minutes ago, Jeremy Igo said:

Give him one more nfl caliber corner and safety and his defense will be top 5. He is working with guys that likely would not make other squads at the moment. 

 

I understand that the talent isn't where we'd like it. But I also believe that there are things that we can tweak to make our defense more effective with the talent we have. 

[philit99]

23 minutes ago, PantherPhann89 said:

I understand that the talent isn't where we'd like it. But I also believe that there are things that we can tweak to make our defense more effective with the talent we have. 

Bingo. I don’t know how many times you need to get scored on playing 3 man prevent, before your prevent yourself from running that defense. If you wanted them to score I get it, but you can’t substitute or change the call. At least you could have kept an addition line backer in, and spied or rushed or something. It is so enraging watching that got damn sorry ass defensive alignment. We suck at it. I think we should deduct 100,000 dollars from Phil Snow’s paycheck every time we call it in.

[Mr. Scot]

Snow is keeping eight back because he knows our back seven is lousy at coverage. He figures having more guys back there is a better answer than a heavy pass rush.

Would it make a difference if we rushed four or blitzed more? I wouldn't guarantee that.

[Harbingers]

8 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Snow is keeping eight back because he knows our back seven is lousy at coverage. He figures having more guys back there is a better answer than a heavy pass rush.

Would it make a difference if we rushed four or blitzed more? I wouldn't guarantee that.

Keeping 8 back isn't a horrible idea in theory usually. Snow's zones are absolute trash though and have been seen through since game one. 

[Varking]

1 hour ago, PantherPhann89 said:

No you're not! My reply was to a post about our fan base treating Teddy Bridgewater like he's public enemy no. 1.

And my actual reply was: "It's not the fan base, it's just those that claim to be fans here..." Criticizing is one thing,  but when your are out right disrespecting the player, saying he's this, he's that, then no... that's not being a fan. That's exactly what I'd expect from someone that's not a fan. 

At no point did I disrespect Phil Snow or his character. I disagree with his coaching style currently being successful without change. 

Fans don't tear down, disrespect and totally attack players on the team they support. 

I never disrespected Teddys character either. I disagree with Teddys quarterbacking style being successful without change. It’s also not disrespectful to say Teddy isn’t it. Or that he isnt a franchise QB. Or that he isnt elite. It’s not disrespectful to point out their flaws when they show them. 
 

But who are you to tell somebody if they are or are not a fan? You can only speak for you. Don’t lump people together with blanket statements. 

[philit99]

57 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Snow is keeping eight back because he knows our back seven is lousy at coverage. He figures having more guys back there is a better answer than a heavy pass rush.

Would it make a difference if we rushed four or blitzed more? I wouldn't guarantee that.

In the NFL, if you don’t move the QB, pressure the QB, or rush the QB, they will find an open receiver especially if you give them 9 seconds to throw the ball. Unless you are Teddy Bridgewater. You have to rush 4. Sh!t play quarters if you have to, but rush 4. 3 linemen 1 LB, 3 linemen 1CB. It doesn’t matter you can’t just sit back there and let receivers uncover, it is useless.

[PantherPhann89]

49 minutes ago, Varking said:

I never disrespected Teddys character either. I disagree with Teddys quarterbacking style being successful without change. It’s also not disrespectful to say Teddy isn’t it. Or that he isnt a franchise QB. Or that he isnt elite. It’s not disrespectful to point out their flaws when they show them. 
 

But who are you to tell somebody if they are or are not a fan? You can only speak for you. Don’t lump people together with blanket statements. 

I didn't say that you personally disrespected TB or his character. If my statement doesn’t apply to you, why are we conversing? 

And who are you to protect those that out right disrespects our players. Giving your opinion, say he isn't a franchise QB, we should put Walker in, etc... this are personal critics, valid or otherwise. But they were a lot of other things said that should not be said by fans. 

This is my opinion and as you know, everyone has one...including you. 

[Mr. Scot]

43 minutes ago, philit99 said:

In the NFL, if you don’t move the QB, pressure the QB, or rush the QB, they will find an open receiver especially if you give them 9 seconds to throw the ball. Unless you are Teddy Bridgewater. You have to rush 4. Sh!t play quarters if you have to, but rush 4. 3 linemen 1 LB, 3 linemen 1CB. It doesn’t matter you can’t just sit back there and let receivers uncover, it is useless.

Ron Rivera agrees with you.

That's one of those eternal arguments in the NFL, and football in general to be honest. I've seen it work both ways. The Seahawks won a Super Bowl building the secondary. The Giants won one by building the pass rush.

Truth be told, if you're really good at one and at least good enough in the other, you can probably win.

We're not especially good in either one right now. Personnel wise, we're probably better up front but not to the level that it's making a difference.

[Varking]

17 minutes ago, PantherPhann89 said:

I didn't say that you personally disrespected TB or his character. If my statement doesn’t apply to you, why are we conversing? 

And who are you to protect those that out right disrespects our players. Giving your opinion, say he isn't a franchise QB, we should put Walker in, etc... this are personal critics, valid or otherwise. But they were a lot of other things said that should not be said by fans. 

This is my opinion and as you know, everyone has one...including you. 

What has been said that is so disrespectful that you are upset? 

[philit99]

25 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Ron Rivera agrees with you.

That's one of those eternal arguments in the NFL, and football in general to be honest. I've seen it work both ways. The Seahawks won a Super Bowl building the secondary. The Giants won one by building the pass rush.

Truth be told, if you're really good at one and at least good enough in the other, you can probably win.

We're not especially good in either one right now. Personnel wise, we're probably better up front but not to the level that it's making a difference.

I’m sure you are right, Ron would agree with me. lol. Mr. Scot they scored in less than 1 minute. What is worse, rush 4 and they score on a 80 yard bomb, or rush three and force them to score on 4 plays, and chew up 1 minute?

I guess it doesn’t really matter. I want Phil Snow to succeed, but he has to make some adjustments to his calls. You have to be unpredictable especially in a predicable scenario. If we would have sent a blind side CB bitz on the first 3 down linemen play, it would have been a sack and maybe even a strip sack. However, it would have changed the Vikings play calling because they would not know if we were blitzing or play prevent. We are too vanilla, and too predictable.