REPORT: Industry sources are watching the Panthers for potential GM opening

[panthers55]

1 hour ago, LinvilleGorge said:

A big part of Hurney's issue was committing huge guaranteed money to aging players, either through extensions or restructured converting salary to bonus. By many reports, he wanted to extend Cam despite Cam being under contract and struggling with injury issues. We all know what he did with Matt Kalil and KK Short's contracts - typical Marty restructured when he should've been cutting bait. Marty is still Marty.

Again he isn't really making those decisions by himself. It sounds as if our capologist is responsible for the contracts so should this be an ongoing complaint if he is no longer doing that anymore? 

[Mr. Scot]

2 minutes ago, bull123 said:

Espn is not a credible news source anymore

You can't judge by it being ESPN. You have to look at who's reporting. In this case, that's Jeremy Fowler and Dan Graziano who called around to league sources, so I would give this one some weight.

On the ESPN front though, there are whispers that Disney wants to dump them. Word is that Disney's recent switch to emphasize streaming content is part of a strategy to move away from ESPN and eventually get rid of them because they're hemorrhaging money.

[Snake]

16 hours ago, LinvilleGorge said:

The day Hurney no longer has the GM title is the day I become officially bullish on the Panthers' future.

Buy buy buy. 

[Devil Doc]

16 minutes ago, bull123 said:

Bill O’Brien?...are you nuts?

LOL. O'Brien dont make Hurney look so bad now does he. 

[LinvilleGorge]

33 minutes ago, panthers55 said:

Again he isn't really making those decisions by himself. It sounds as if our capologist is responsible for the contracts so should this be an ongoing complaint if he is no longer doing that anymore? 

So what in your opinion does Hurney actually do if he's not deciding on the players or the contracts? Hell, any of us could be the GM if it's just a figurehead position which seems to be your stance.

[Khyber53]

1 hour ago, Mr. Scot said:

Dude, you were defending Ron Rivera up to the last breath too.

I get wanting to be positive, but sometimes you just gotta see what's really happening.

Rivera was a good guy, but yeah, the writing was on the wall. Losing seasons and a lack of effort from supposedly star players just told the tale.

In Hurney's case, though, where are all the misfires for Hurney 2.0? I look at debacles in other organizations around the league and I just don't see the same thing happening here. 

[Mr. Scot]

3 minutes ago, Khyber53 said:

Rivera was a good guy, but yeah, the writing was on the wall. Losing seasons and a lack of effort from supposedly star players just told the tale.

In Hurney's case, though, where are all the misfires for Hurney 2.0? I look at debacles in other organizations around the league and I just don't see the same thing happening here. 

There's a pretty good primer on that from Bugs already within this thread.

 

[Mr. Scot]

12 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

So what in your opinion does Hurney actually do if he's not deciding on the players or the contracts? Hell, any of us could be the GM if it's just a figurehead position which seems to be your stance.

Honestly, I think it very well might be. Or if it isn't already, it soon will be.

Matt Rhule's official title at Baylor was Head Coach. His unofficial title could have been Absolute Monarch. And he made no secret of the fact that if he was going to take an NFL head coaching job, he wanted the kind of power and control that guys like Bill Belichick have.

He's that kind of a control freak.

And frankly, I think there's plenty of evidence that David Tepper is more than willing to give him what he wants on that front. Hence, my belief that Rhule will choose the next GM. My  theory is that it will be Pat Stewart, but even if it's Marty, I think "figurehead" will be an appropriate title for him. Basically, whoever the GM is, the guy who's really pulling the strings is gonna be Matt Rhule.

The thing about guys with that much power? You gotta hope they're reeeeally good at what they do.

I guess we'll see.

[panthers55]

16 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

So what in your opinion does Hurney actually do if he's not deciding on the players or the contracts? Hell, any of us could be the GM if it's just a figurehead position which seems to be your stance.

I haven't been a GM so honestly don't know but I suspect like most leaders much of what he does is manage the day to day operations, help solve problems and personality issues, weigh in on decisions, scout, consult with Rhule and Tepper daily, etc. Seems contracts while important isn't a huge part of his job. Didn't Beane manage the cap and work with contracts when he was here.?

[Mr. Scot]

Just now, panthers55 said:

I honestly haven't been a GM so honestly don't know but I suspect like most leaders much of what he does is manage the day to day operations, help solve problems and personality issues, weigh in on decisions, scout, consult with Rhule and Tepper daily, etc. Seems contracts while important isn't a huge part of his job. Didn't Beane manage the cap and work with contracts when he was here.?

No. Rob Rogers did.

[Mr. Scot]

Also, to be clear, there's no real set job description for a GM in the NFL. Heck, NFL job titles and descriptions are pretty fluid anyway, and the GM job is no exception.

Take a guy like Andy Reid. Been around forever, winning coach, should have absolute power right? Well recently when questioned about Le'Veon bell, Reid passed the buck to Chief's GM Brett Veach, saying personnel matters are his thing.

Now on the flip side, you had Bill O'Brien who despite not having anywhere near the NFL success of Andy Reid was made King of Everything in Houston. Yes, that worked out poorly, but that's not really the point. The point is that who controls what varies significantly from team to team.

And as far as the Panthers, that structure may be in the process of changing.

[TheSpecialJuan]

2 hours ago, Mr. Scot said:

Rhule already has an old friend in a prominent position waiting in the wings.

Pat Stewart also has time with the Patriots on his resumé which is a big plus for Tepper.

I'd be happy with that 

[DaveThePanther2008]

1 hour ago, Mr. Scot said:

Honestly, I think it very well might be. Or if it isn't already, it soon will be.

Matt Rhule's official title at Baylor was Head Coach. His unofficial title could have been Absolute Monarch. And he made no secret of the fact that if he was going to take an NFL head coaching job, he wanted the kind of power and control that guys like Bill Belichick have.

He's that kind of a control freak.

And frankly, I think there's plenty of evidence that David Tepper is more than willing to give him what he wants on that front. Hence, my belief that Rhule will choose the next GM. My  theory is that it will be Pat Stewart, but even if it's Marty, I think "figurehead" will be an appropriate title for him. Basically, whoever the GM is, the guy who's really pulling the strings is gonna be Matt Rhule.

The thing about guys with that much power? You gotta hope they're reeeeally good at what they do.

I guess we'll see.

If Rhule was the driving force behind the 2020 draft and I suspect he was.  He drafted his type of players.  Most of these players are showing they can play. BROWN, YGM, SHINN and PRIDE are a good start.  Granted Pride still has a long way to go but most rookies do. 

 I believe your theory about Stewart being our next GM makes a ton of sense.  I think the vision is identical between the two.

[Mister]

We need hurney out , get an aggressive young gm