Defense is two starters away from being very good.

[Mr. Scot]

Aren't we tied for last in the league in sacks?

[LinvilleGorge]

15 minutes ago, Anybodyhome said:

The game Carolina lost because their defense was atrocious against a 1-dimensional team.

Honestly one of the dumber takes I've read on the Huddle. That's an impressive accomplishment.

[WOW!!]

4 minutes ago, CRA said:

He probably meant not being able to get home and get a single sack vs a team the world knew wasn't going to be able to run the ball. 

but yeah, they got some pressure on slow and immobile Foles. 

Then he should have said that..

 

2 hours ago, Anybodyhome said:

The Bears rushed for a total of 28 and 35 yards in their 2 games leading up to the Panther game. The Chicago Bears were a one-dimensional team and, despite knowing they were going to be a pass-oriented offense, the Panthers had nothing yesterday.

No pressure on a quarterback who, when he ran yesterday, I thought I could beat in a foot race.

He said no pressure...

[WOW!!]

17 minutes ago, Anybodyhome said:

As I said, the one with no sacks and 1 TFL. Against an immobile QB with no running game. 

The game Carolina lost because their defense was atrocious against a 1-dimensional team.

What game were you watching- the one you think they won?

Again we weren't watching the same game...

The defense kept us in the game while being put in bad situations all day..

Bears had short Fields from great starting position.. They won the TO battle.. And they got alot of bad calls go their way.. The Defense was a bright spot yesterday while missing 2 contributors on the Dline...

[CRA]

well they got some pressure.  Chinn's INT should be credited to the DL.  

[CRA]

1 minute ago, WOW!! said:

Again we weren't watching the same game...

The defense kept us in the game while being put in bad situations all day..

Bears had short Fields from great starting position.. They won the TO battle.. And they got alot of bad calls go their way.. The Defense was a bright spot yesterday while missing 2 contributors on the Dline...

but when you are playing one of the worst offenses in the NFL.....your defense needs to make some big time game changing plays.  They made one that bailed out the offense after the Mike Davis fumble.  But that was really it.   They didn't get gashed and give up a lot.  But that was a game that we needed plays from the D and didn't really get them. 

[TheSpecialJuan]

6 hours ago, Jeremy Igo said:

the fly 

[LinvilleGorge]

1 minute ago, CRA said:

but when you are playing one of the worst offenses in the NFL.....your defense needs to make some big time game changing plays.  They made one that bailed out the offense after the Mike Davis fumble.  But that was really it.   They didn't get gashed and give up a lot.  But that was a game that we needed plays from the D and didn't really get them. 

Interesting how the narrative has shifted for some. Going into the season, everyone expected our D to be one of if not the worst unit in the league while our offense would be pretty good but likely not enough to overcome our horrific D very often. Now that we're a little over a third of the way through the season and our D is outplaying our offense, it's our D's fault? The D gave the offense multiple chances to come through yesterday and the offense failed to do it. We only gave up 23 points despite coughing up three turnovers.  We are 13th in the league in points allowed and 23rd in points scored. Right now we're losing games primarily because our offense isn't converting yards into points.

[CRA]

Just now, LinvilleGorge said:

Interesting how the narrative has shifted for some. Going into the season, everyone expected our D to be one of if not the worst unit in the league while our offense would be pretty good but likely not enough to overcome our horrific D very often. Now that we're a little over a third of the way through the season and our D is outplaying our offense, it's our D's fault? The D gave the offense multiple chances to come through yesterday and the offense failed to do it. We only gave up 23 points despite coughing up three turnovers.  We are 13th in the league in points allowed and 23rd in points scored. Right now we're losing games primarily because our offense isn't converting yards into points.

oh, my bar for the D isn't high.  Overall, I am very happy for a performance like the one on Sunday. 

but if you breakdown the this one specific matchup.   To win a game like that.  A middle of the road defense is gonna need to make a couple plays to help out an offense that has to battle the Bears defense.  D has to make a handful of game impacting plays to aid the offense to pull out a win like that.    O didn't get those. 

So I think in this ONE game.  We lost more because of the D than O.  

[LinvilleGorge]

8 minutes ago, CRA said:

oh, my bar for the D isn't high.  Overall, I am very happy for a performance like the one on Sunday. 

but if you breakdown the this one specific matchup.   To win a game like that.  A middle of the road defense is gonna need to make a couple plays to help out an offense that has to battle the Bears defense.  D has to make a handful of game impacting plays to aid the offense to pull out a win like that.    O didn't get those. 

So I think in this ONE game.  We lost more because of the D than O.  

We held the Bears to 261 yards. They average 313. We held them to 23 points despite three turnovers. They average 21. We gained 303 yards. The Bears give up an average of 337. We scored 16 points. They give up an average of 19. When you turn the ball over three times while failing to gain your opponent's defense's average yards allowed nor score their average points allowed, you certainly didn't lose a close game due to your defense.

Our D is 7th in the NFL in takeaways but only 8 teams have turned it over more than our offense (Teddy has accounted for 6 of those 8 turnovers). Right now we're losing games primarily because our offense isn't converting yards into points. Secondarily because we're turning the ball over too much. The worst issue on defense rank no higher than third on the list.

I just don't see how anyone is blaming much of anything on the D as a unit right now. Bash Whitehead and Boston all you want for all I care, but as a whole our much maligned defense coming into the season with the coordinator no one wanted is outperforming our more talented offense with the coordinator everyone wanted.

[CRA]

13 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

We held the Bears to 261 yards. They average 313. We held them to 23 points despite three turnovers. They average 21. We gained 303 yards. The Bears give up an average of 337. We scored 16 points. They give up an average of 19. When you turn the ball over three times while failing to gain your opponent's defense's average yards allowed nor score their average points allowed, you certainly didn't lose a close game due to your defense.

Our D is 7th in the NFL in takeaways but only 8 teams have turned it over more than our offense (Teddy has accounted for 6 of those 8 turnovers). Right now we're losing games primarily because our offense isn't converting yards into points. Secondarily because we're turning the ball over too much. The worst issue on defense rank no higher than third on the list.

I just don't see how anyone is blaming much of anything on the D as a unit right now. Bash Whitehead and Boston all you want for all I care, but as a whole our much maligned defense coming into the season with the coordinator no one wanted is outperforming our more talented offense with the coordinator everyone wanted.

I haven't blamed them for anything all year.  

Just the way the teams matched up....the O was going to need some help.   Because the Bears defense was rightfully going to give our offense a lot of problems.  We knew they would get to Teddy.  We know they would likely cause turnovers.  We knew there defense would make big plays.  And this was a game where our D SHOULD of been able to provide a little more IMO. 

O didn't play well.  They played worse than the D.  But that is how this game frankly was suppose to play out IMO.  Based on how the teams matched up, a middle of the back Panther D should of outplayed our offense IMO given the matchups each had. 

our D is also last in sacks.   Sacks aren't everything.  But playing a team like the Bears you would like to see your team dig out of that hole a little.   Bears have one game on the season where they have avoided that.  Carolina.   

 

[WOW!!]

25 minutes ago, CRA said:

but when you are playing one of the worst offenses in the NFL.....your defense needs to make some big time game changing plays.  They made one that bailed out the offense after the Mike Davis fumble.  But that was really it.   They didn't get gashed and give up a lot.  But that was a game that we needed plays from the D and didn't really get them. 

Doesn't matter if the offense is set up to win all day.. The starting field position for the bears was like their 40 to 45.. They had 2 TO inside our 20. Not to mention the countless yards they got off dumb or fraudulent penalties. Its a miracle we only gave up 23points and had 2 chances to win or tie at the end of the game.  

[LinvilleGorge]

Just now, CRA said:

I haven't blamed them for anything all year.  

Just the way the teams matched up....the O was going to need some help.   Because the Bears defense was rightfully going to give our offense a lot of problems.  We knew they would get to Teddy.  We know they would likely cause turnovers.  We knew there defense would make big plays.  And this was a game where our D SHOULD of been able to provide a little more IMO. 

O didn't play well.  They played worse than the D.  But that is how this game frankly was suppose to play out IMO.  Based on how the teams matched up, a middle of the back Panther D should of outplayed our offense IMO.

 

 

They did. We lost because we coughed it up three times. Your winning percentage drops to 18% in the NFL when you turn it over three times. 

[CRA]

18 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

They did. We lost because we coughed it up three times. Your winning percentage drops to 18% in the NFL when you turn it over three times. 

So we shouldn't criticize a defense for not making more plays against a horrible one dimensional pass offense......we should criticize an offense for not making more plays against a top tier defense? 

given what we are and the matchup....we needed a really big day from the D AND ST.  We needed big plays to come from somewhere to help to O.  Help w/ field position.  Some easy points. We didn't get it.   

I think too much focus is on bashing the offense.