TEDDY SUCKS

[Mr. Scot]

3 hours ago, mrcompletely11 said:

Why did Payton let him walk knowing this is Brees last year?  And please dont give me the "they couldnt afford him" excuse.  The saints are one of the if not best teams at manipulating the cap.  If Payton wanted him he would be on the roster

Because Payton really believes Taysom Hill can be a franchise quarterback.

[Jon Snow]

1 minute ago, Mr. Scot said:

Because Payton really believes Taysom Hill can be a franchise quarterback.

I can't even say that with a straight face.

[LinvilleGorge]

15 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Because Payton really believes Taysom Hill can be a franchise quarterback.

I very, VERY seriously doubt that considering that Payton has let him throw a total of 15 passes in his career, went with Teddy over him last year, and went out and signed Jameis this year. I think he sees Hill as a jack of all trades type utility player and just really values that.

[Breakpoint4510]

 

52 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Sorry man, the reality of the situation is that until we start having sustained success like the Saints have had over the past decade and a half or so, we don't have a leg to stand on sitting here trying to claim we're outsmarting them. The reality is that they have more winning seasons since 2006 than we have in our entire franchise history. Until we get our act together and start start having some consistent success, the smart money is on them. Like it or not.

    As much as you want sustained success, you're not going to get it out of a microwave. So basically it looks as though your impatience is leading you to believe that the Saints passed over Teddy for a player who was languishing on the free agent trash pile. So in review, you don't think Teddy can zip passes into tight windows, and he hasn't shown twenty years of sustained success in six games. There's nothing smart about that wish list. 

 

[Mr. Scot]

5 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

I very, VERY seriously doubt that considering that Payton has let him throw a total of 15 passes in his career, went with Teddy over him last year, and went out and signed Jameis this year. I think he sees Hill as a jack of all trades type utility player and just really values that.

That was reported by multiple sources over the past offseason. And yeah, they did choose him on the Bridgewater.

What you might be seeing now is Payton realizing the reality that he could have been wrong.

[*FreeFua*]

People making this about Payton choosing Hill over Teddy or Payton not wanting to keep Teddy are so badly missing.

The Saints knew they were never going to be able to keep Teddy. Teddy had a chance to get a starting gig (this time not for the Dolphins) and they knew he’d take it. 

They weren’t going to tell Brees to beat it so keeping Teddy was never in the cards

[MasterAwesome]

2 hours ago, mrcompletely11 said:

Why did Payton let him walk knowing this is Brees last year?  And please dont give me the "they couldnt afford him" excuse.  The saints are one of the if not best teams at manipulating the cap.  If Payton wanted him he would be on the roster

 

2 hours ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Bingo. They chose to keep a gimmick player in Taysom Hill over Teddy Bridgewater because they know Teddy Bridgewater level QBs aren't particularly difficult to come by. So they re-signed Hill and went out and signed another backup QB with a lot higher upside.

Or, it wasn't a feasible option for them (or really any team) to be paying $20+ million/year for their back-up QB to sit on the bench for 1-2 seasons.

Also, Hill is undeniably more versatile of a player than Bridgewater.  Meaning, he's a guy they can actually use on the field with Brees, to give them more options in their offense instead of sitting on the bench holding a clipboard.  They use him on special teams...as a receiver...as a QB...as a runner.....I mean, you can call it gimmicky, but they squeeze a hell of a lot of value out of him.  So whereas Teddy is strictly a quarterback in the traditional sense, Hill does a lot of other things for them.  Bridgewater would be doomed to sit on the bench eating up $20+ million to provide virtually nothing outside of a Brees' injury, while Hill can get paid less than half of that to actually contribute alongside Brees.

And for the compensatory pick enthusiasts on here...the difference between letting Bridgewater go and letting Hill go would have been a third round pick vs. probably a fifth round pick.

To act like they simply evaluated Hill vs. Bridgewater as quarterbacks to back up Brees seems pretty short-sighted.  Even more so when you consider they had both on the roster last year and they outright chose Bridgewater over Hill to run their offense while Brees was injured.  You're telling me they liked Teddy over Hill last year, but after he took over at QB, performed admirably, and led them to a measly 5-0 record in Brees' absence...they were like "Meh...Teddy ain't it.  Hill is our guy!" (*insert Drake meme*).  The only way I buy that is if they believe Hill has more upside at QB and just needed time to be groomed into the role...which is hard to rationalize considering Hill is *check notes* 30 years old (3 years older than Bridgewater) and is in his 4th season with the Saints.

So yes, they ultimately chose Hill over Bridgewater but I would hardly treat that as an indictment of Bridgewater.  If Brees had retired last offseason, do you think things would have played out differently?  I sure has hell believe they would have done everything in their power to keep Bridgewater if that were the case.  Otherwise, it made zero sense to throw all that money on their back-up QB.  Investing over $20 million to two quarterbacks for a team with arguably the worst cap situation in the NFL would be unfathomable.

TL/DR - logical reasons to have chosen Hill over Bridgewater:

-Contract value ($$$$$) for a back-up QB

-More versatility outside of quarterbacking

-Higher compensatory pick

None of which are indictments of Teddy or indicators that they thought he was easily replaceable.

[LinvilleGorge]

32 minutes ago, Breakpoint4510 said:

 

    As much as you want sustained success, you're not going to get it out of a microwave. So basically it looks as though your impatience is leading you to believe that the Saints passed over Teddy for a player who was languishing on the free agent trash pile. So in review, you don't think Teddy can zip passes into tight windows, and he hasn't shown twenty years of sustained success in six games. There's nothing smart about that wish list. 

 

They chose to pay Hill > Bridgewater. They chose Winston because he was cheap, available, and is low risk/high potential reward. This isn't difficult if you take off the Panthers blue glasses.

[CRA]

14 minutes ago, MasterAwesome said:

Also, Hill is undeniably more versatile of a player than Bridgewater.  Meaning, he's a guy they can actually use on the field with Brees, to give them more options in their offense instead of sitting on the bench holding a clipboard.  They use him on special teams...as a receiver...as a QB...as a runner.....I mean, you can call it gimmicky, but they squeeze a hell of a lot of value out of him. 

Hill is the 5th highest paid player on their offense this year.   

Hill has 46 yards on the ground and 38 in the air. 

and he isn't Brees' backup. 

 

They get virtually nothing from him.   That is stealing. 

[mrcompletely11]

39 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

That was reported by multiple sources over the past offseason. And yeah, they did choose him on the Bridgewater.

What you might be seeing now is Payton realizing the reality that he could have been wrong.

So why did Teddy start last year when Brees got hurt?

[*FreeFua*]

5 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

They chose to pay Hill > Bridgewater. They chose Winston because he was cheap, available, and is low risk/high potential reward. This isn't difficult if you take off the Panthers blue glasses.

Bridgewater wasn’t sitting on the bench for another season.

There was no choice to make. Bridgewater had offers to become a starting QB again. 

And no, the Saints weren’t going to tell Brees to kick rocks. Brees controls when he’s done there

[mrcompletely11]

1 minute ago, *FreeFua* said:

Bridgewater wasn’t sitting on the bench for another season.

There was no choice to make. Bridgewater had offers to become a starting QB again. 

And no, the Saints weren’t going to tell Brees to kick rocks. Brees controls when he’s done there

You dont know that.  If the Saints wanted him they could have signed him.  Payton knew after last season this is the last go for Brees. 

[LinvilleGorge]

2 minutes ago, mrcompletely11 said:

You dont know that.  If the Saints wanted him they could have signed him.  Payton knew after last season this is the last go for Brees. 

Yeah, I'm not certain that's a stone cold fact. It seems like they never even talked contract with Teddy because they weren't going to be willing to pay him and they were going all in with Brees. I mean, I get that. But if they actually thought that Bridgewater wasn't a major drop off from Brees like many on the Huddle seem to think, I don't think that would've been the case.

[*FreeFua*]

5 minutes ago, mrcompletely11 said:

You dont know that.  If the Saints wanted him they could have signed him.  Payton knew after last season this is the last go for Brees. 

Bridgewater chose to spend another year behind Drew in 2019 instead of going to Miami.

Teddy always wanted to be a starter again and in 2020 when teams came knocking he wasn’t going to sit any longer. It’s not even a guarantee Brees retires after this year. People have been saying “this must be his last year” for a few seasons now. 

Teddy wasn’t waiting.