TEDDY SUCKS

[MasterAwesome]

1 hour ago, Varking said:

I didn’t intend for it to be Teddy is playing worse, it’s that he isn’t performing at that level. But I guess that is correct, regardless. If he were playing at that level last year we would be doing better. I chalk that up to he had been in their system for an entire offseason and he wasn’t thrown into the fire week 1. He CAN get back to that level, if not be better, he’s just not there right now. As I wrote above, I’m at work so I have to read in chunks. Ill respond to the rest after lunch. 

Saying Teddy isn't play worse, he just isn't performing to the level he performed last year seems like a rather trivial, semantic distinction...no?

Do you think the Saints had better red zone weapons last year than we do this year?  Or would you put our guys up against guys like Michael Thomas and Jared Cook?  Do you also think Sean Payton is a better playcaller than Joe Brady?

[MechaZain]

I definitely agree that Teddy's not the guy to take this team all the way. You can do it without an elite QB if the roster's damn near but we aren't.

[Rags]

1 hour ago, nctarheelreincarnated said:

Not, one, single person thinks Christian Kirk is a top 15 WR but yourself. Congrats that's not weird or anything.

Yeah, man. You got under my skin to the point I went to work and literally forgot about your post for two whole hours. Yikes. So, under my skin. And I know I'm right on this. Kyler Murray is a better QB than Teddy BridgetothenextQB. In literally everyway possible. LOL. 

And I'm not a big fan of "playing softer defense" excuse.  Especially when that used to bite shitty Rivera in the ass all the time. 

I don't care if people agree or disagree with me. I also don't care if I end up wrong. I feel like Kirk has a very, very high ceiling and we're starting to see more and more of that. I could be wrong.

Again I never said who was a better QB, Kyler definitely has more arm talent and mobility that rivals Jackson's. He absolutely has a higher ceiling with Teddy and I have never once argued otherwise. 

My point was that he has been as consistent for our offense as Kyler has been. You haven't argued anything otherwise but TDS AND MOBILITY, which I then said "we average 4 less points than Az. It doesn't matter that much." And "flukey TDs exist just as much as flukey passing yards."

To which you replied "yeah off coverage is dumb." Which yeah i kind of agree it's risky but uh

That's what happened. It wasn't Kyler carrying his team or anything we're a mediocre defenses that plays a bunch of soft coverage even when we aren't winning you're damn right we're gonna do it when we are winning.

 

[TLGPanthersFan]

4 minutes ago, MechaZain said:

I definitely agree that Teddy's not the guy to take this team all the way. You can do it without an elite QB if the roster's damn near but we aren't.

I am used to a QB hiding the deficiencies of the offense and not the other way around. We are gonna need a team like the 49ers last year to compete for a Super Bowl with Teddy. Meh. 

[Breakpoint4510]

1 minute ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Look what Tannehill is doing after getting away from Gase. I honestly wouldn't be shocked if Darnold has a similar resurgence after getting away from him.

When I talk about Teddy's limitations I'm talking more about his arm than his legs. His arm is definitely subpar for an NFL QB and that's why his average yards per completion and TD figures are always low. He's not very good driving the ball downfield or humming it into a tight window in the red zone. Can he do it occasionally? Sure. But it's definitely not a strength of his game.

There's nothing wrong with liking a strong armed quarterback. That's just not the be all end all to quarterback play. Now when you say subpar about his arm strength, you should preference that with to your liking. Furthermore, your always is all of forty games as a starter with a 25-15 record. Nothing subpar about that kind of production.

 

 

[Rags]

36 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

When I talk about Teddy's limitations I'm talking more about his arm than his legs. His arm is definitely subpar for an NFL QB and that's why his average yards per completion and TD figures are always low. He's not very good driving the ball downfield or humming it into a tight window in the red zone. Can he do it occasionally? Sure. But it's definitely not a strength of his game.

Same could be said about Matt Ryan. He's always had a weaker than average starting QB arm but even before Julio was dominant they did well by giving him a good defense and a great supporting cast in his deep run seasons.

Now also I'm not ignorant I know Julio is a generational WR but you can look at other WRs elevating their QBs: Andre Johnson and Schaub, A.J Green and Dalton, Allen Robinson and Bortles (and hey look Robinson is a FA next year.)

 I'm not saying Teddy is our answer for the next 10 years but his limitations aren't so damning that we can't win with him. The difference between Smith and Bridgewater is Alex was super conservative, Teddy isn't afraid to press the issue when he has a chance to.

[Rags]

1 hour ago, nctarheelreincarnated said:

I think Moore gets open, Teddy has issues getting him the ball. Teddy is what he is. A mediocre meh QB. 

Moore has not gotten open in the redzone. He still struggles getting off of press a lot and he hasn't created a lot of seperation in the redzone.

In between the 20s absolutely Teddy should look for D.J. more, he's a monster after the catch and when he does get some space hes a huge threat.

But inside the 10-20? He's been almost invisible. I'm almost positive if he caught that endzone td that'd be his first in the redzone.

John Ross has been more consistent in the redzone than him

 

[LinvilleGorge]

30 minutes ago, Breakpoint4510 said:

There's nothing wrong with liking a strong armed quarterback. That's just not the be all end all to quarterback play. Now when you say subpar about his arm strength, you should preference that with to your liking. Furthermore, your always is all of forty games as a starter with a 25-15 record. Nothing subpar about that kind of production.

 

 

It's subpar arm strength in terms of compared to other NFL QBs. He definitely has a below average NFL arm, my liking or not.

If teams thought that 25-15 record was due to his QB play, he wouldn't have bounced around the league like he has.

[LinvilleGorge]

32 minutes ago, Rags said:

The difference between Smith and Bridgewater is Alex was super conservative, Teddy isn't afraid to press the issue when he has a chance to.

I would disagree with this. Teddy's very conservative. That's why his yards per completion and TD numbers are always low.

[Rags]

2 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

I would disagree with this. Teddy's very conservative. That's why his yards per completion and TD numbers are always low.

I'm not disagreeing that his arm lacking isn't a a huge reason for his low TD numbers, and that he doesn't go to his easy read quicker than most, but he absolutely will pull the trigger when he needs to and that's something Alex Smith (post SanFran) didn't do a ton.

[nctarheelreincarnated]

46 minutes ago, Rags said:

I don't care if people agree or disagree with me. I also don't care if I end up wrong. I feel like Kirk has a very, very high ceiling and we're starting to see more and more of that. I could be wrong.

Again I never said who was a better QB, Kyler definitely has more arm talent and mobility that rivals Jackson's. He absolutely has a higher ceiling with Teddy and I have never once argued otherwise. 

My point was that he has been as consistent for our offense as Kyler has been. You haven't argued anything otherwise but TDS AND MOBILITY, which I then said "we average 4 less points than Az. It doesn't matter that much." And "flukey TDs exist just as much as flukey passing yards."

To which you replied "yeah off coverage is dumb." Which yeah i kind of agree it's risky but uh

That's what happened. It wasn't Kyler carrying his team or anything we're a mediocre defenses that plays a bunch of soft coverage even when we aren't winning you're damn right we're gonna do it when we are winning.

 

That’s fair. I would also say there are very few defenses that aren’t ass this year, anyway. 

[Breakpoint4510]

50 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

It's subpar arm strength in terms of compared to other NFL QBs. He definitely has a below average NFL arm, my liking or not.

If teams thought that 25-15 record was due to his QB play, he wouldn't have bounced around the league like he has.

Why did the Panthers sign him? Why did the Saints give up a third round draft choice for him to to back up Drew Brees? Why did they make him the highest paid back up in the league after he turned down a chance to start with Miami? There's the actions of several NFL franchises, then there's the opinion of a Panther fan sitting on the couch playing, "Are You Smarter Than A GM". I'll take the NFL for 63 million please.

[KSpan]

1 hour ago, Rags said:

I'm not disagreeing that his arm lacking isn't a a huge reason for his low TD numbers, and that he doesn't go to his easy read quicker than most, but he absolutely will pull the trigger when he needs to and that's something Alex Smith (post SanFran) didn't do a ton.

Having seen the Alex Smith era firsthand here in KC Teddy looks almost exactly like Alex Smith to me. The only year Alex deviated was 2017 when the Mahomes writing was on the wall and even then it didn't last the entire season.

[Varking]

1 hour ago, MasterAwesome said:

Saying Teddy isn't play worse, he just isn't performing to the level he performed last year seems like a rather trivial, semantic distinction...no?

Do you think the Saints had better red zone weapons last year than we do this year?  Or would you put our guys up against guys like Michael Thomas and Jared Cook?  Do you also think Sean Payton is a better playcaller than Joe Brady?

As I’ve said before the season started we should/could be a better team this year than we were last year and still have a worse record due to strength of schedule, team turnover with an all new staff. You can be better than you were, or the same as last year as a player but not have the same results due to many things. 

I think the Saints have had more time to be coached into proper red zone offense. I think Joe Brady is still learning the ropes. I think Matt Rhule has almost never been good offensively. I think Teddy has never had a big year where he’s been the focal point of an offense in the NFL where he has had to learn to put a team on his back. Things like this can be fixed over time. I believe getting CMC back fixes some of these issues. 

I think Brady has been great from 20-20 calling plays and Teddy has been flat out outstanding from 20-20. They both have disappointed in the red zone. That’s why Slye has so many more kicks within 20 yards of the end zone than any other kicker in the NFL. 
 

I think it’s a confidence issue for both of them. I believe there will be a time where we continue to struggle near the end zone and Brady convinces Rhule to finally go for it on 4th down from like the 3 and they throw it in. And that will be the turning point. Teddy has all the attributes to be a franchise QB. DJ Moore has everything you need to be a true #1. It’s not physical with them. It’s mental. And at some point we need to turn their potential into production or we have to acknowledge that DJ isn’t a 1. That Teddy isn’t a 1. 

I need to see better production from Teddy soon. We went through this last season where everyone jumped up and down excited over Kyle Allen being a former top high school recruit, had us winning again, had like 9 TDs and 3-4 INTs after six games and then reality set in and he got rocked. 

They all play a role but true franchise QBs can elevate the talent around them. You replace Teddy with:

Mahomes, Jackson, Carr, Big Ben, Dak, Brees, Brady, Ryan, Wilson, Watson, Goff, Minshew and Tannehill

And we likely have a better record right now. You could argue that you could swap him with Burrow, Allen, Herbert, Jimmy G and we would have a better record. 
 

Do all of the these QBs have better red zone weapons? Better blocking? Better backs? Around them? No. But they are all doing the most important thing which is score touchdowns. 
 

When you look at a guy like Minshew you see a guy with an unknown at running back, banged up average wide receivers, an awful offensive line, and a below average tight end. Yet despite getting killed on an awful team that is mismanaged and poorly coached he goes out there and slings it. 11TDs to 5 INTs is pretty solid. Is he a franchise QB?