TEDDY SUCKS

[mav1234]

Teddy completely bears some responsibility for red zone woes.

But, he has shown before when you give him weapons he can score in the red zone.

It isn't just Teddy. Its the offense itself. Its the play calls and the players.  We really need a red zone weapon.  Many of us thought that could be Thomas but we have been disappointed.

[Varking]

4 minutes ago, Rags said:

His accuracy is literally being questioned by Cardinals fans now.

The Cowboys gave up 4 turnovers. Again two of which came inside the 30.

He has as many ints as Teddy. With a much better supporting cast than Teddy.

He threw three of those against the fuging Lions.

To say he's "balling out" is a stretch. The win last night was on the Defense.

Their defense last night looked All World. 

[nctarheelreincarnated]

6 minutes ago, Rags said:

His accuracy is literally being questioned by Cardinals fans now.

The Cowboys gave up 4 turnovers. Again two of which came inside the 30.

He has as many ints as Teddy. With a much better supporting cast than Teddy.

He threw three of those against the fuging Lions.

To say he's "balling out" is a stretch. The win last night was on the Defense.

They're 4-2, and sure he hasn't been the most accurate QB. But, his running ability more than makes up for it.

[LinvilleGorge]

I think last night was an anomaly for both Murray and Allen. Murray has been at 65% plus every other game. Allen has been 63% plus every other game. But yeah, both were pretty inaccurate last night. Bad games happen for everyone.

[nctarheelreincarnated]

Just now, LinvilleGorge said:

I think last night was an anomaly for both Murray and Allen. Murray has been at 65% plus every other game. Allen has been 63% plus every other game. But yeah, both were pretty inaccurate last night. Bad games happen for everyone.

Exactly. Even so, he still has 10 Td's throwing, and 5 rushing TD's. Dude's are looking at one game and now thinking he's trash? 

[Rags]

11 minutes ago, Varking said:

I’m not disagreeing that we can fix our red zone issues. I just point out how bad it’s been this year. We are one of the worst. There’s a lot to work on inside the 20 with this team. I have brought this up when talking about Brady as well since he calls the plays. He is a part of it. Teddy is a part of it. I have also never said Teddy couldn’t get better at it this year. Just that up until this point in the season there is no metric, no stat, no eye test moment where people can be realistically convinced he has shown everyone he is a franchise QB. That’s again, not saying he can’t be one, it’s saying at this point through the season he hasn’t shown he is the answer. There’s a lot to improve upon. 
 

In that instance most people will take the Saints offense in the red zone. 9/10 around the league they will take Brees over Teddy as well because he has a long history of leading high scoring teams. Even while people call him washed here on this site he is outperforming Teddy. 
 

We have time to fix our woes. The season isn’t over. The book isn’t closed on Teddy. I just can’t see given that the story going into this season was: We will be horrible on defense but we will put up points because we have talent: but we have been the opposite where our defense has been better than expected and our offense just isn’t scoring... I can’t see where so many on this site have determined he IS a franchise QB already. And there are extremes in this fan base. There are those who will never be convinced and those who are no matter what. 
 

There are some like you who will discuss things that make this place fun to discuss all things Panthers but there are many others whose history of discussion makes them lash out at posters because they have a different opinion. 

That's literally a stat that shows when Teddy has weapons in the redzone he succeeded. Like in your next paragraph you say "oh most teams would love to have Brees and MT" and yes. But the Saints didn't have Brees for part of last season. And when they had Teddy they won. And scored in the redzone. Wowza.

We have a bunch lf RAC guys. We've tried D.J. in the redzone. He's failed. We haven't tried Robby much but tbh I think Robby is just Miles Austin (not bad). From eye test alone, Curtis has been our best jump ball guy and that's saying something.

We need a guy that can draw attention in zone or just win contested catches, or hell someone who knows how to find open spots vs zone. That Bears game in the redzone they could just play near perfect zone and there wasn't any open space there. That's what killed us Sunday. 

[LinvilleGorge]

I'm particularly impressed by Allen this year. Who he was his first two seasons was basically what I expected him to be in the NFL which was essentially a poor man's Cam. Big armed athletic QB who could make all the throws but would struggle with accuracy issues. Through his first two seasons he was basically that - a poor man's Cam. He was less accurate than Cam and not as effective as a runner. But this year he has REALLY stepped up his game as a passer. We'll see if last night turns out to be an anomaly for him or if it's the law of averages kicking in and he's coming back down to earth after a red hot start. Either way, I never expected him to develop this quickly or honestly this far period as a passer. The Bills have done a great job developing him as a QB. Honestly, I thought the guy would probably end up being a bust.

[Rags]

21 minutes ago, nctarheelreincarnated said:

They're 4-2, and sure he hasn't been the most accurate QB. But, his running ability more than makes up for it.

Ah okay so what you're saying is if you have a QB with flaws, its okay if you have a team surrounding you to help win those games.

Like for example if you're extremely capable of running and offense and being accurate in exchange for having about average or slightly below average arm strength (but a willingness to take shots unlike an Alex Smith).

Just spitballing examples dude.

15 minutes ago, nctarheelreincarnated said:

Exactly. Even so, he still has 10 Td's throwing, and 5 rushing TD's. Dude's are looking at one game and now thinking he's trash? 

Oh don't put words in my mouth dude.

You said hes been balling. He hasn't. He's been just about as stable and consistent as Teddy has been. Which is "could be better."  The defense was the entire reason the Cards took control of that game. 

"Oh but he's thrown more TD passes!" In a pass first offense where thr focal points are him, Nuk and Christian Kirk. We don't run the same type of offense.

And no! This isn't one game. Cards fans hsve been questioning how Kyler has a tendency to miss wide open targets since at least vs us when I interacted with them.

I'm not saying he's trash. I never ssid he was trash. I was just pointing out how absurd your comparison is.

And they still only have one more win than us, the team everyone wrote off this year. How about that.

[Varking]

13 minutes ago, Rags said:

That's literally a stat that shows when Teddy has weapons in the redzone he succeeded. Like in your next paragraph you say "oh most teams would love to have Brees and MT" and yes. But the Saints didn't have Brees for part of last season. And when they had Teddy they won. And scored in the redzone. Wowza.

We have a bunch lf RAC guys. We've tried D.J. in the redzone. He's failed. We haven't tried Robby much but tbh I think Robby is just Miles Austin (not bad). From eye test alone, Curtis has been our best jump ball guy and that's saying something.

We need a guy that can draw attention in zone or just win contested catches, or hell someone who knows how to find open spots vs zone. That Bears game in the redzone they could just play near perfect zone and there wasn't any open space there. That's what killed us Sunday. 

That’s why I want Kyle Pitts since it looks like we are going to be in the 12-16 range. He’d be that contested catch red zone threat that our current tight ends don’t do. 

[Rags]

7 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

I'm particularly impressed by Allen this year. Who he was his first two seasons was basically what I expected him to be in the NFL which was essentially a poor man's Cam. Big armed athletic QB who could make all the throws but would struggle with accuracy issues. Through his first two seasons he was basically that - a poor man's Cam. He was less accurate than Cam and not as effective as a runner. But this year he has REALLY stepped up his game as a passer. We'll see if last night turns out to be an anomaly for him or if it's the law of averages kicking in and he's coming back down to earth after a red hot start. Either way, I never expected him to develop this quickly or honestly this far period as a passer. The Bills have done a great job developing him as a QB. Honestly, I thought the guy would probably end up being a bust.

I love Allen and I was getting blasted over on Reddit for comparing him to Cam on draft day.

And I still think that's apt. Even though Cam is a more gifted passer.

The last two games are concerning for him, two absolutely sure fire playoff teams had hom regress. Throwing off his back foot, panicing under pressure namely. He gathered himself in the 2nd half yesterday but still.

I want the Bills to win the AFC but yesterday that offenses problems reared their ugly head. Allen is good and Stefon Diggs is a goddamn baller but. Everywhere else is eh? Cole Beasly exists and John Brown is Corey Brown but consistent. McDermott got his mentors ideology of the offense being good enough and the defense doing a bulk of the work. And that's a suuuuper risky way to play in the NFL and I'm not sure Josh is the type of guy who can carry a team like Cam did in 15

 

[Rags]

2 minutes ago, Varking said:

That’s why I want Kyle Pitts since it looks like we are going to be in the 12-16 range. He’d be that contested catch red zone threat that our current tight ends don’t do. 

I like Pitts but I'm eh on TEs in the first.

I don't know the TE position as much but there's something there that just makes them...really inconsistent as performing as rookies. Unless we are surefire taking a QB in the first we need to try to get the best talent available who csn contribute asap. I don't wanna take a TE if theres a starter caliber OL there. That'd also help our offense because good lord we can't block longer than 2 seconds.

[Rags]

Speaking of surprising QBs this season

The fug has Tannehill been drinking and where can I get some.

Its no secret I'm in the "you don't need an elite QB to win as long as long as you have a great supporting cast." And with Talents like Henry and Brown and that entire defense I didn't bat an eye when they started winning with Tanny

I did bat an eye at that contract though.

And good lord he's earning every penny of it so far.

[Varking]

5 minutes ago, Rags said:

Speaking of surprising QBs this season

The fug has Tannehill been drinking and where can I get some.

Its no secret I'm in the "you don't need an elite QB to win as long as long as you have a great supporting cast." And with Talents like Henry and Brown and that entire defense I didn't bat an eye when they started winning with Tanny

I did bat an eye at that contract though.

And good lord he's earning every penny of it so far.

Just getting away from Gase tends to help out. I thought he was better once he left Miami but I didnt have him listed as Potential MVP Candidate for 2020. He’s earning his money. 

[nctarheelreincarnated]

19 minutes ago, Rags said:

Ah okay so what you're saying is if you have a QB with flaws, its okay if you have a team surrounding you to help win those games.

Like for example if you're extremely capable of running and offense and being accurate in exchange for having about average or slightly below average arm strength (but a willingness to take shots unlike an Alex Smith).

Just spitballing examples dude.

Oh don't put words in my mouth dude.

You said hes been balling. He hasn't. He's been just about as stable and consistent as Teddy has been. Which is "could be better."  The defense was the entire reason the Cards took control of that game. 

"Oh but he's thrown more TD passes!" In a pass first offense where thr focal points are him, Nuk and Christian Kirk. We don't run the same type of offense.

And no! This isn't one game. Cards fans hsve been questioning how Kyler has a tendency to miss wide open targets since at least vs us when I interacted with them.

I'm not saying he's trash. I never ssid he was trash. I was just pointing out how absurd your comparison is.

And they still only have one more win than us, the team everyone wrote off this year. How about that.

Stable and consistent as Teddy? Teddy doesn't have his running ability, his running ability mask his other deficiencies in his game. 

Teddy legit has the same amount of TD's as Mitch Trubisky and Mitch has been benched for two damn games. Please stop this poo, everyone would take Kyler over BridgetothenextQB everyday, and twice on Sunday's. I don't care what the Cards fans have been questioning, the guy is legit throwing at a 63% clip, even after a poo game last night. He had over 70% completition percentage vs the Panthers. 

I've seen a lot of poo, but comparing a guy that has 6 TD's passing, and 1 rushing TD to a guy that has 10 TD's passing, and 5 rushing TD's. And was earlier in the season in the MVP realm is rich. The Huddle truly is a special place. BridgetothenextQB isn't close to Murray's potential, or game breaking ability.