Teddy is the best QB in the south

[weyco2000]

4 hours ago, Varking said:

The jury is still out on “killing it”. There’s like three full time QBs with less touchdowns than Teddy in the NFL, we have the lowest scoring offense in the NFC South and we have kicked more Field Goals than any other team in the South. We are marching up and down the field but we aren’t converting yards to scores yet. Most people agree it’s the one area Teddy has to show improvement in and then there really isn’t anything else left in his game to criticize. 
 

For reference we are 21st in the NFL in PPG on offense. We are like 12th or 13th in defense. Daniel Jones, Sam Darnold and Philip Rivers are the only QBs in the NFL to start every game for their team and pass for less touchdowns. He’s tied with Burrow, Wentz and Trubisky for 22-25 in the NFL despite Mitch not playing in every game, Burrow being a rookie who is getting killed behind his line, Wentz is getting killed and they have no WRs to throw to and Trubisky was so bad he lost his job. 
 

Teddy has been better than expected so far but I wouldn’t say he is killing it yet. 

So we overlook Teddys situation? 
1) First and foremost, the horrific injury he’s battled back from.

2) Coming to a new team with big turnover.

3) New coaching staff, new system.

4) Limited OTA and no preseason.

Yes I agree there should be a higher TD conversion rate, especially the Chargers game, but it’s improved over the past 2 weeks of play. I think he’s doing exactly what Rhule wants from him, being smart and efficient, playing within himself and most importantly... Being a leader. 

[Khyber53]

Teddy has been great so far and I think he's going to have a great season here.

Not sure anyone should be wearing the crown of the best QB in the NFC South yet. Maybe we'll know better by the end of November. 

[Varking]

4 hours ago, weyco2000 said:

So we overlook Teddys situation? 
1) First and foremost, the horrific injury he’s battled back from.

2) Coming to a new team with big turnover.

3) New coaching staff, new system.

4) Limited OTA and no preseason.

Yes I agree there should be a higher TD conversion rate, especially the Chargers game, but it’s improved over the past 2 weeks of play. I think he’s doing exactly what Rhule wants from him, being smart and efficient, playing within himself and most importantly... Being a leader. 

1) He’s been back from injury for a few years. It’s not like he just came back this year. He was with the Jets and Saints while not being hurt anymore and he played well last year, too. 
2) Tom Brady went to a new team as well where he can’t even practice with his two best WRs and the TE he brought in isn’t being used to catch passes and their rb situation is awful and they have a bad oline. 
Teddys top WRs have missed no time, he hasn’t been sacked in weeks and his running back has played well above level. 
3) Brady had this same issue.

4) Brady had this same issue. 
If I have two WRs killing it, a QB killing it, and a running back killing it, we should not be in the bottom part of the NFL in scoring. We mock Matt Ryan and Drew Brees for how they have performed and some here trash Brady but five weeks into the season we have been the worst scoring team of the bunch and our QB has the worst TD to INT of anyone in the division. And that is with Ryan not having Julio, Brees not having Thomas and Brady not having much in the way of Evans or Godwin. 

[*FreeFua*]

4 hours ago, weyco2000 said:

So we overlook Teddys situation? 
1) First and foremost, the horrific injury he’s battled back from.

2) Coming to a new team with big turnover.

3) New coaching staff, new system.

4) Limited OTA and no preseason.

Yes I agree there should be a higher TD conversion rate, especially the Chargers game, but it’s improved over the past 2 weeks of play. I think he’s doing exactly what Rhule wants from him, being smart and efficient, playing within himself and most importantly... Being a leader. 

Even then, the red zone play calling was questionable at best in the LA game. With only a couple routes ending up in the endzone on a few plays. 
 

A few people here get caught up with certain stats without seeing the whole picture because they don’t quite understand all the moving parts. 
 

Justin Herbert threw for 4 touchdowns Monday night and lost because he was unable to make the intermediate throws when they mattered. People harp on that Chargers game but ignore the fact that the following week our offense performed very well in the red zone. It’s not just a Teddy thing. 
 

Smart and efficient is what wins in this league. It’s why the Saints continue to win despite Drew’s obvious decline. Half the battle is not beating yourself. Josh Allen on Tuesday threw a boneheaded INT, those are game changers.

Football is a team effort, from the coaches down to the players. We’re finally seeing a team that can play within a system and win. That is much better than having a few guys having to make highlight plays each week to bail out the coaching staff. Teams like the Saints and Patriots, play within their system.

 

[DeAngelo Beason]

On 10/12/2020 at 9:39 PM, BigBoss said:

I know it hasn’t been what they were hoping for and Teddy is great but..... I’d still take TB12 in a heartbeat.

 

 

but yeah he’s way better than Ratt myan and poo pees.

Sorry, but no.  Brady just isn't very good.

[Varking]

19 minutes ago, DeAngelo Beason said:

Sorry, but no.  Brady just isn't very good.

How many QBs have been “very good” in your eyes? Tampa has no running game but they are ahead of us in points per game. Evans has played sparingly and Godwin has barely played. How are they scoring all these points? 

[Waldo]

The crown on best NFC South QB will probably be in play to go to a rookie next year with how fast the old guard are falling apart right now and how high those picks project at the moment. I'm having a blast watching the other teams fall apart but we have plenty of areas where we need to improve before celebrating any crowns in our division. Being the best QB in our division is looking like more of a hill than a mountain and Teddy still is not yet at the top. 

I'm just going to enjoy the show and hope other teams beat those three on the race to the best talent in the draft at QB.  

[DeAngelo Beason]

3 hours ago, Varking said:

How many QBs have been “very good” in your eyes? Tampa has no running game but they are ahead of us in points per game. Evans has played sparingly and Godwin has barely played. How are they scoring all these points? 

Mike Evans has played in all 5 games.  He's still playing with an all-universe tight end, a high 1st rounder and talented TE behind him, and is only completing only 64% of his passes, clearly thought it was 3rd down when it was 4th down.

Of his 5 games, he has only had two somewhat quality outings.  Everything else has been painfully average/below average.

 

[Varking]

11 minutes ago, DeAngelo Beason said:

Mike Evans has played in all 5 games.  He's still playing with an all-universe tight end, a high 1st rounder and talented TE behind him, and is only completing only 64% of his passes, clearly thought it was 3rd down when it was 4th down.

Of his 5 games, he has only had two somewhat quality outings.  Everything else has been painfully average/below average.

 

Evans playing vs Evans playing every snap and being healthy are two different things. And they do not have an all universe tight end. 64% completions is good. His TD to INT is great. He did mess up on the 3rd/4th down, I agree. 

[Breakpoint4510]

4 hours ago, Khyber53 said:

Teddy has been great so far and I think he's going to have a great season here.

Not sure anyone should be wearing the crown of the best QB in the NFC South yet. Maybe we'll know better by the end of November. 

Where were you when Teddy was labeled the worst quarterback in the division before the season started? 

[DeAngelo Beason]

1 hour ago, Varking said:

Evans playing vs Evans playing every snap and being healthy are two different things. And they do not have an all universe tight end. 64% completions is good. His TD to INT is great. He did mess up on the 3rd/4th down, I agree. 

64% is below average in today's NFL, actually (currently ranked 20th in the league). 

Passer rating - ranked 16th at 96.8

YDS/GM and TDs are slightly above average, although I still have to throw out there that the figure is inflated due to one big game.  I acknowledge the fact that you can't just discard the game, but he is more consistently average, maybe a tiny, tiny bit above average this season, rather than "very good".

[Varking]

4 minutes ago, DeAngelo Beason said:

64% is below average in today's NFL, actually (currently ranked 20th in the league). 

Passer rating - ranked 16th at 96.8

YDS/GM and TDs are slightly above average, although I still have to throw out there that the figure is inflated due to one big game.  I acknowledge the fact that you can't just discard the game, but he is more consistently average, maybe a tiny, tiny bit above average this season, rather than "very good".

And Teddy is currently 28th in completed air yards in the NFL at an even 5.0 air yards per completion. Matt Ryan is 4th. Tom Brady is 10th. Drew Brees is closest at 24th. 
As for the Chargers game, that’s the only common opponent Teddy and Brady have so far this year. In that game Brady was better in yards and way better in TDs. 
You say Brady is slightly above average in yards and TDs... Brady is 5th in TDs. His 12 passing TDs is double Teddy. Even if you took away his 5 TD game against the team Teddy threw for 2... Tom would still have more passing touchdowns over Teddy. 
Maybe Teddy has better completion % because he plays it safe and that is what fits our offense. But if you want to dismiss Tom’s Charger game you would have to do the same for Teddy and he would be down to 4 passing TDs. People here claim things like Matt Ryan, Drew Brees and Tom Brady are all done despite them all being arguably close or better than the guy we are making out to be a franchise QB. It’s weird.

[DeAngelo Beason]

1 hour ago, Varking said:

And Teddy is currently 28th in completed air yards in the NFL at an even 5.0 air yards per completion. Matt Ryan is 4th. Tom Brady is 10th. Drew Brees is closest at 24th. 
As for the Chargers game, that’s the only common opponent Teddy and Brady have so far this year. In that game Brady was better in yards and way better in TDs. 
You say Brady is slightly above average in yards and TDs... Brady is 5th in TDs. His 12 passing TDs is double Teddy. Even if you took away his 5 TD game against the team Teddy threw for 2... Tom would still have more passing touchdowns over Teddy. 
Maybe Teddy has better completion % because he plays it safe and that is what fits our offense. But if you want to dismiss Tom’s Charger game you would have to do the same for Teddy and he would be down to 4 passing TDs. People here claim things like Matt Ryan, Drew Brees and Tom Brady are all done despite them all being arguably close or better than the guy we are making out to be a franchise QB. It’s weird.

Completely unimpressed with any of the data you've pulled on Brady.  Yard air per completion is the most pointless, useless stat in existence.  You're clearly grasping at straws with that one.  Trying to compare the Chargers games is nonsense as well, considering the Patriots were getting pummeled early on and HAD to throw, whereas the Panthers dominated from the start.  Again, grasping at straws.  I also, for the record, specifically stated that you can't just "discard" Brady's best game.  Simply felt it was worth mentioning that the majority of his stats come from one game.  3 of his 5 games have been anywhere from below average to bad.  Once again, passer rating is a good overall barometer of performance as opposed to nitpicking at stats like you're doing.  He's middling.

Regardless, I never made the claim that Teddy Bridgewater was a "very good" QB.  I think you picked that up from someone else dude.  All I said was Brady was nothing special this year.  While we're at it, neither is Brees or Ryan.  

Bridgewater is probably the best QB in the division so far this year, but not by a mile as you seem to think I'm claiming, especially considering I never even made a comparison between the two at any point.

[Varking]

59 minutes ago, DeAngelo Beason said:

Completely unimpressed with any of the data you've pulled on Brady.  Yard air per completion is the most pointless, useless stat in existence.  You're clearly grasping at straws with that one.  Trying to compare the Chargers games is nonsense as well, considering the Patriots were getting pummeled early on and HAD to throw, whereas the Panthers dominated from the start.  Again, grasping at straws.  I also, for the record, specifically stated that you can't just "discard" Brady's best game.  Simply felt it was worth mentioning that the majority of his stats come from one game.  3 of his 5 games have been anywhere from below average to bad.  Once again, passer rating is a good overall barometer of performance as opposed to nitpicking at stats like you're doing.  He's middling.

Regardless, I never made the claim that Teddy Bridgewater was a "very good" QB.  I think you picked that up from someone else dude.  All I said was Brady was nothing special this year.  While we're at it, neither is Brees or Ryan.  

Bridgewater is probably the best QB in the division so far this year, but not by a mile as you seem to think I'm claiming, especially considering I never even made a comparison between the two at any point.

Patriots? And I don’t think this division has a clear #1 QB. You can make the argument for any of them. Matt Ryan has the worst argument. But Brady, Brees and Teddy can all have legit arguments.