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NFL's most passing yards in a half this season.

Jeremy Igo

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14 minutes ago, SizzleBuzz said:

(i)  Isn't that the goal?  Design an offense that maximizes the output based on the all players on the team including the QB...sure seems like the goal.

(ii)  "Daring" a player to "step outside" of the offense seems entirely counterproductive --- why the hell would anyone want to do that?

For me that's exactly the point. The best teams will figure out how to take away the scheme's bread and butter, so can Teddy be successful doing what will be needed outside of his usual comfort zone and the team still win, a la Alex Smith in KC (answer there was no)? I am skeptical since there is no evidence yet supporting that he can, and it will take at least a full season, if not two, to answer.

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7 hours ago, TrevorLaurenceTime22 said:

BUMP were are the TB haters 

Honest question, not judging; when you decided to sign up and/or change your screen name, were you a TB hater or lover?  

I don't spend a lot of time "keeping score" on where each poster and their most recent alt stand(s) but it is clear why TB was on the top of the list of a bunch of teams this offseason and kudo's to the FO for moving on the deal fast. 

I like winning and getting rival coaches fired a hell of a lot better than rooting for losses (in September?) to get a better draft position.

 

 

 

 

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9 minutes ago, RenoCarolina said:

Honest question, not judging; when you decided to sign up and/or change your screen name, were you a TB hater or lover?  

I don't spend a lot of time "keeping score" on where each poster and their most recent alt stand(s) but it is clear why TB was on the top of the list of a bunch of teams this offseason and kudo's to the FO for moving on the deal fast. 

I like winning and getting rival coaches fired a hell of a lot better than rooting for losses (in September?) to get a better draft position.

 

 

 

 

Originally? eeesh that would be before the great server reset of 08' TB was 16.... I do believe my names have always been defensive players although I did take a multi year hiatus of lurking, I have no other handles, I was quite sauced when I signed up. I truthfully had no expectations for this team winning a game early in the season... and figured TB would be a 3400 yard 60% passer, I have been presently surprised.

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1 hour ago, KSpan said:

The best teams will figure out how to take away the scheme's bread and butter, so can Teddy be successful doing what will be needed outside of his usual comfort zone and the team still win...

Disagree.

Poorly coached teams might struggle in the scenario you describe...

...but a Matt Rhule & Joe Brady coached team will always have an in-context parry & riposte for any sort of attack the defense may attempt to mount.

You need not look any further than the Ron Rivera coached Panthers for a prime example of how "asking" the QB to "step outside" of the offense is a losing strategy. 

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31 minutes ago, SizzleBuzz said:

Disagree.

Poorly coached teams might struggle in the scenario you describe...

...but a Matt Rhule & Joe Brady coached team will always have an in-context parry & riposte for any sort of attack the defense may attempt to mount.

You need not look any further than the Ron Rivera coached Panthers for a prime example of how "asking" the QB to "step outside" of the offense is a losing strategy. 

Disagree then, but player abilities are as much a key element as coaching. I agree with you completely about Rivera but your statement in bold already attributing top-tier coaching ability to Rhule and Brady after 5 games against the teams they've played is... premature at best. Even Belichick and Brady/Carroll and Wilson/Reid and Smith (a direct comparison IMO) at times haven't schemed and executed their way past the best in the game and all of those players are known quantities with infinitely more proven resumes than TB right now. It's just the reality of sports. Hell, Rhule's record in college was barely above 500 and against top-tier college programs was not great, including a 1-3 record in bowl games. He's a program builder of course and all of those programs quickly trended up but there is no empirical evidence of prolonged success once he's been quantified.

Am I 'hating' as this term likes to be tossed around? Absolutely not - simply looking at the objective evidecne. As I said earlier in another thread the arrow is definitely pointing up and the team, including TB, is clearly playing well. 5 games though is an irrelevant sample size.

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49 minutes ago, KSpan said:

...your statement in bold already attributing top-tier coaching ability to Rhule and Brady after 5 games against the teams they've played is... premature at best.

I'm confident it's not premature in any way, shape or form.  

The ability to identify and isolate value -- early -- is what creates the world's great fortunes and the Panthers owner is one of a small handful of the most capable in the world...there's a reason he agreed to pay Rhule all that money.    

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11 minutes ago, SizzleBuzz said:

I'm confident it's not premature in any way, shape or form.  

The ability to identify and isolate value -- early -- is what creates the world's great fortunes and the Panthers owner is one of a small handful of the most capable in the world...there's a reason he agreed to pay Rhule all that money.    

While I'm certainly not saying Rhule falls into this category I guarantee you Tepper has had some spectacular failures along the way to those riches as well. Y'all are just over the top at this point.

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3 hours ago, SizzleBuzz said:

(i)  Isn't that the goal?  Design an offense that maximizes the output based on the all players on the team including the QB...sure seems like the goal.

(ii)  "Daring" a player to "step outside" of the offense seems entirely counterproductive --- why the hell would anyone want to do that?

It's almost as if he's suggesting a player should reject amazing couching or that we should immediately switch to an air Coryell.

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