Why Winning Now Will Cost Us About 15 Years

[SaltnPepper]

6 minutes ago, weyco2000 said:

11-5 could win the NFC this year, but hey that’s a waste...

If you don't win the Superbowl then it's a bad year.

Is this a hard concept?

UNC fans want National Championships 

Duke expects National Championships 

At Alabama anything less than a national championship is failure.

Same with the Panthere and especially the NFL.

[SmokinwithWilly]

5 minutes ago, SaltnPepper said:

If you don't win the Superbowl then it's a bad year.

Is this a hard concept?

UNC fans want National Championships 

Duke expects National Championships 

At Alabama anything less than a national championship is failure.

Same with the Panthere and especially the NFL.

Comparing College to the pros is a huge reach. Colleges Can get as many top recruits as they want. Salary cap limit the number of top players any team can. They aren't the same thing

[SaltnPepper]

2 minutes ago, SmokinwithWilly said:

Comparing College to the pros is a huge reach. Colleges Can get as many top recruits as they want. Salary cap limit the number of top players any team can. They aren't the same thing

Coaches in the pros say the same thing.

There's one winner and 31 losers.

[SmokinwithWilly]

So what you're saying is whichever team gets to draft TL next year, the other 31 should go ahead and quit because he is going to win the next 15 Super Bowls. Otherwise he's just a failure. 

[SaltnPepper]

2 minutes ago, SmokinwithWilly said:

So what you're saying is whichever team gets to draft TL next year, the other 31 should go ahead and quit because he is going to win the next 15 Super Bowls. Otherwise he's just a failure. 

No what I'm saying is the team who gets TL will automatically increase their EV.

 

I'm also saying the math doesn't support everyone here's theory that we can just find a Stud QB.

 

And when I say stud QB I mean a top 5 in the league. 

Which we've never had. 

[weyco2000]

28 minutes ago, SaltnPepper said:

If you don't win the Superbowl then it's a bad year.

Is this a hard concept?

UNC fans want National Championships 

Duke expects National Championships 

At Alabama anything less than a national championship is failure.

Same with the Panthere and especially the NFL.

Carry on...

[Pantherxtreme]

I only thing I can figure is there must be some diehard Clemson fans. Still holding out hope. 

 

[SmokinwithWilly]

We had Cam who could have been a top QB in the league but we also had a bonehead coach that wasted his potential and ran him into the ground. 

There aren't enough elite QBs and TL may end up being a colossal bust or get hurt and is one and done. But put the right system in place with a good coach and you can take an average QB and make him above average. It takes more than a single player to win it all. 

Brady has 6 rings while both Mannings, Brees, and Rodgers have 6 combined. Is Brady that much better or could it be that coaching and system might have more to do with it than you want to give credit for.

[Jacabee]

3 hours ago, bababoey said:

How does this stupid thread have 17 pages 

They fed the Chuck after midnight 

[SaltnPepper]

17 minutes ago, Pantherxtreme said:

I only thing I can figure is there must be some diehard Clemson fans. Still holding out hope. 

 

I'm not a Clemson fan.

[SaltnPepper]

29 minutes ago, SmokinwithWilly said:

We had Cam who could have been a top QB in the league but we also had a bonehead coach that wasted his potential and ran him into the ground. 

There aren't enough elite QBs and TL may end up being a colossal bust or get hurt and is one and done. But put the right system in place with a good coach and you can take an average QB and make him above average. It takes more than a single player to win it all. 

Brady has 6 rings while both Mannings, Brees, and Rodgers have 6 combined. Is Brady that much better or could it be that coaching and system might have more to do with it than you want to give credit for.

Coaching matters.

Defense matters. 

But without a great QB you're going to have suboptimal success. 

Sure you might win one ala Dilfer.

But why would you purposefully limit yourself?

 

Show me a better mathematical chance of us winning the Superbowl in 5 years than if we had gone 0-16 and drafted TL.

Does it guarantee one no. But I guarantee it increases our EV.

Equity matters folks.

[SmokinwithWilly]

So if this is the recipe for success why doesn't every team in the NFL that doesnt have a future HoF QB do it when the next generational talent comes out every couple of years? Because it doesnt work. You can tank and go 0-16 and still end up with no next great thing.

And then try to convince guys to play for you when they know you're willing to mail it all in for a guy that's never taken an NFL snap. He's not winning as a rookie, likely not as a sophomore, 3 or 4 years more than likely if ever. Most of those players will be gone. You think they're going to put their bodies on the line for a college prospect that more than likely they won't have a shot to win with? Rhule would never get guys to play for him again. 

Come on man. 

But here's a mathematical formula for you.

This theory of yours = stupidity squared.

 

[SaltnPepper]

6 minutes ago, SmokinwithWilly said:

So if this is the recipe for success why doesn't every team in the NFL that doesnt have a future HoF QB do it when the next generational talent comes out every couple of years? Because it doesnt work. You can tank and go 0-16 and still end up with no next great thing.

And then try to convince guys to play for you when they know you're willing to mail it all in for a guy that's never taken an NFL snap. He's not winning as a rookie, likely not as a sophomore, 3 or 4 years more than likely if ever. Most of those players will be gone. You think they're going to put their bodies on the line for a college prospect that more than likely they won't have a shot to win with? Rhule would never get guys to play for him again. 

Come on man. 

But here's a mathematical formula for you.

This theory of yours = stupidity squared.

 

Well for one a great majority of franchises care about making money.

That's a mistake. A pro sports franchise should never be about making money. It should be about winning period.

It should never be your main income stream. So you can rule all those teams out.

Secondly if they think they have their guy then they are going to try and win with him.

My theory works because we don't have a guy. Well I should say worked because we screwed ourselves. You take 1 year to most likely solve a problem it generally takes teams 15 years to do.

 

This was a special chance. Down to the last 3 suitcases on Deal or no Deal.

[jfra78]

1 hour ago, SaltnPepper said:

If you don't win the Superbowl then it's a bad year