Why Winning Now Will Cost Us About 15 Years

[NcPsa10]

13 minutes ago, SaltnPepper said:

For those of you thinking winning now is the right thing to do let me show you why you are wrong.

First my version of tanking would have been to not sign Davis, Teddy or traded for that OT.

I would have run with what we could keep from last years team and treated the entire season as a roster evaluation thus ensuring the first pick.

So we would coach hard and play hard and probably just come up short in games.

Now I've seen the stupid stink of losing argument on here. Jimmy Johnson took over a 3-13 team. Took Aikman. Went 1-15 in his first season got another number 1 and the rest is history.

Let's look at the Cowboys. They were dominant with Rodger. Dropped off with Danny. Weren't dominant again until they got Troy and since Troy retired they have been bad to ok. The key? Bad owner and no QB. (Romo was not a stud)

Dolphins

Great with Bobby G then after they lost him sucked until Marino and have been irrelevant since he retired. That's long down periods.

Steelers
Dominant with number one overall Terry B. Then they were off the Earth until Cower got there. But horse teeth and Kordell couldn't get it done ( both these guys are Teddy Bridgewater) then they got Ben and were winning championships again.

Packers

Dominant with Bart then drop off the planet until Farve. How long was that? Then they lucked into Rodgers.

Chargers

They had Fouts and were good
Then nothing until Rivers

Giants

Nothing after the 60s until they got Simms
Did ok but dropped with Hostettler
Became obscure until Eli

Bill's

Nothing till Kelly
Nothing since until Allen

I could go on and on with probably every team in the league.

QBs don't grow on trees and y'alls problem is that the Panthers have been rather fortunate in the QB department and success department.


You guys constantly say win now and get a QB later? So when is that going to happen?
10 years from now? 20? 30?

The fact is we had a chance to control our own destiny and do something few teams have ever done move from one great QB to another without years of average in between.

Trevor would have been our chance to build a multiyear dominance now.

You guys constantly throw out Rodgers and others taken outside the top 5. Well that depends on the other teams missing them.

I love Thomas Davis but we should have taken Rodgers. I love CMC but we should have taken Mahomes. We made mistakes both those years. Are you willing to hope other teams are stupid during our search for a QB?

If we start consistently making the playoffs with Teddy but never getting to the NFC championship where is our savior going to come from?

How long will we have to wait?

Winning now if we don't get at least Lance has probably cost at least 15 years of no ring.


Show me why I'm wrong.

[motocross_cat]

3 minutes ago, SaltnPepper said:

I'm not a fan to just win games.

I want championships. 

You'll never see me criticize the Carolina Hurricanes. You know why? They have a cup!!!

Its been a month man.  So far it looks good.  Enjoy the ride.

[SaltnPepper]

3 minutes ago, SmokinwithWilly said:

Trevor Lawrence is not a guaranteed Dynasty. It takes a lot more than just that. One of the reasons BB has been so successful in NE is culture. Granted he had TB but even with Matt Kassell, that was an 11-5 team that may have made a deep run but didnt get a WC. 

I want the Panthers to win, but having a generational talent with a bad coach wont get you there either. Let Rhule build the culture. Watch FAs come here because they want a shot at a ring. It takes more than just a QB to win the Lombardi.

It doesn't matter if FAs want to come here the cap won't let us sign them all.

So where does our QB come from cause if we sign one in FA we won't be able to afford anyone else. 

[PantherOnTheProwl1523]

1 minute ago, NcPsa10 said:

You are so wrong lol.

[TheCasillas]

I’ll play.

number of top 5 drafted overall qbs to win a super bowl In the last TWENTY years = 2. The Manning brothers.

number of qb’s drafted pick 10 or higher to win super bowls over the last TWENTY years = 8 and that doesn’t include the multiple SB from

brady and Ben. 
 

there are the facts. You have been debunked. 

[SaltnPepper]

2 minutes ago, motocross_cat said:

Its been a month man.  So far it looks good.  Enjoy the ride.

If you want a wife and kids but you know the girl you're with isn't the one do you just enjoy the ride or fix it?

[uncfan888]

9 minutes ago, SaltnPepper said:

It seems about average over league history. 

Again I await an intelligent retort.

Fifteen years is a lifetime in the NFL. We went to our first super bowl 17 years ago

[Basbear]

19 minutes ago, SaltnPepper said:

For those of you thinking winning now is the right thing to do let me show you why you are wrong.

First my version of tanking would have been to not sign Davis, Teddy or traded for that OT.

I would have run with what we could keep from last years team and treated the entire season as a roster evaluation thus ensuring the first pick.

So we would coach hard and play hard and probably just come up short in games.

Now I've seen the stupid stink of losing argument on here. Jimmy Johnson took over a 3-13 team. Took Aikman. Went 1-15 in his first season got another number 1 and the rest is history.

Let's look at the Cowboys. They were dominant with Rodger. Dropped off with Danny. Weren't dominant again until they got Troy and since Troy retired they have been bad to ok. The key? Bad owner and no QB. (Romo was not a stud)

Dolphins

Great with Bobby G then after they lost him sucked until Marino and have been irrelevant since he retired. That's long down periods.

Steelers
Dominant with number one overall Terry B. Then they were off the Earth until Cower got there. But horse teeth and Kordell couldn't get it done ( both these guys are Teddy Bridgewater) then they got Ben and were winning championships again.

Packers

Dominant with Bart then drop off the planet until Farve. How long was that? Then they lucked into Rodgers.

Chargers

They had Fouts and were good
Then nothing until Rivers

Giants

Nothing after the 60s until they got Simms
Did ok but dropped with Hostettler
Became obscure until Eli

Bill's

Nothing till Kelly
Nothing since until Allen

I could go on and on with probably every team in the league.

QBs don't grow on trees and y'alls problem is that the Panthers have been rather fortunate in the QB department and success department.


You guys constantly say win now and get a QB later? So when is that going to happen?
10 years from now? 20? 30?

The fact is we had a chance to control our own destiny and do something few teams have ever done move from one great QB to another without years of average in between.

Trevor would have been our chance to build a multiyear dominance now.

You guys constantly throw out Rodgers and others taken outside the top 5. Well that depends on the other teams missing them.

I love Thomas Davis but we should have taken Rodgers. I love CMC but we should have taken Mahomes. We made mistakes both those years. Are you willing to hope other teams are stupid during our search for a QB?

If we start consistently making the playoffs with Teddy but never getting to the NFC championship where is our savior going to come from?

How long will we have to wait?

Winning now if we don't get at least Lance has probably cost at least 15 years of no ring.


Show me why I'm wrong.

[SpeedOFLight]

I rather win sooner than later. I don’t believe in tanking. I doubt a bunch grown professionals men do either especially when their jobs on the line. Time is a luxury so nothing is given. I’m happy with what I see right now. We have guys that are hungry and trying to win now. Feels good to win 

[TheCasillas]

3 minutes ago, SaltnPepper said:

If you want a wife and kids but you know the girl you're with isn't the one do you just enjoy the ride or fix it?

So are you the unwanted individual in this situation? Bc you sure are coming off as an unwanted individual. 

[SaltnPepper]

3 minutes ago, TheCasillas said:

I’ll play.

number of top 5 drafted overall qbs to win a super bowl In the last TWENTY years = 2. The Manning brothers.

number of qb’s drafted pick 10 or higher to win super bowls over the last TWENTY years = 8 and that doesn’t include the multiple SB from

brady and Ben. 
 

there are the facts. You have been debunked. 

Why would you take the control out of your hands.

If the panters had drafted right 8 instantly becomes 6.

I could pick out every draft and why it happened but outliers will always exist.

[motocross_cat]

1 minute ago, SaltnPepper said:

If you want a wife and kids but you know the girl you're with isn't the one do you just enjoy the ride or fix it?

Teddy is not your GF.  He is coaches GF.   You don't know their relationship like they do.  Nobody likes that friend that puts their nose where it dont belong.

[*FreeFua*]

15 minutes ago, SaltnPepper said:

Show me why I'm wrong. 

What have I said that's not factual?

 

On 9/29/2020 at 8:14 PM, *FreeFua* said:

So what you’re saying is since 1990 the only QB’s selected 1st overall that started and won a SB are the Manning brothers. 

Even if you changed it from 1st overall pick to 1st QB taken overall each draft you’d still only have the Manning’s as the only two to start and win a SB since 1990

 

[PantherOnTheProwl1523]

Just now, SaltnPepper said:

Why would you take the control out of your hands.

If the panters had drafted right 8 instantly becomes 6.

I could pick out every draft and why it happened but outliers will always exist.