Why Winning Now Will Cost Us About 15 Years

[SaltnPepper]

1 minute ago, panthers55 said:

I remember when the players talked about 2004 and after starting out so poorly with all those injuries and going on a losing streak, Fox told them no one was coming to bail them out. They scrapped clawed and won several games to finish the year out. What was important was how many players in 2005 talked about how important it was to finish 2004 on a winning note and how that momentum carries over. And that is why winning now is important. Momentum and confidence are very important to building a winning tradition.

The difference between 2002 and 2003 was Jake.

 

We need a star QB

[panthers55]

1 minute ago, SaltnPepper said:

The difference between 2002 and 2003 was Jake.

 

We need a star QB

Jake was an important piece but Smith, Davis and a roided up offense line made the difference. Quarterback is important but you need a team with good players on both side of the ball 

[pantherclaw]

2 hours ago, rayzor said:

A team that thinks losing is acceptable, for any reason, is a losing team. That will be their culture.

Beyond a shadow of a doubt, and proven again and again, by history. 

[Carolina Cajun]

[CanadianCat]

@SaltnPepper

I cannot accept a team that is ok with losing. Full stop there.. 

 

Also saying the Mahommes should have been the pick over CMC is forgetting that we had Newton on the team.. You saying that is basically saying that we should draft a QB in the 1st round every year based on the "what if" as opposed to what the overall team needs.

 

[Madwolf]

I've never seen anyone get so many negative "poop emojis" on a topic before.

That's an impressive amount of wrong.

[Madwolf]

15 minutes ago, SaltnPepper said:

The difference between 2002 and 2003 was Jake.

 

We need a star QB

We can trade for Sam Darnold, he was a Top 5 pick, and I hear Vince Young is still available.

I mean, we need a sure fire, can't miss Top 5 pick to land the QB of the future. 

[SaltnPepper]

2 minutes ago, Madwolf said:

I've never seen anyone get so many negative "poop emojis" on a topic before.

That's an impressive amount of wrong.

I'm surrounded by idiots.

[Madwolf]

1 minute ago, SaltnPepper said:

I'm surrounded by idiots.

Or you're the village idiot in the crowd, and you just don't know it.

[mrcompletely11]

10 minutes ago, Madwolf said:

We can trade for Sam Darnold, he was a Top 5 pick, and I hear Vince Young is still available.

I mean, we need a sure fire, can't miss Top 5 pick to land the QB of the future. 

I know its a joke but if brady feels like he can turn him around then send a 6th over for him

[SaltnPepper]

2 minutes ago, mrcompletely11 said:

I know its a joke but if brady feels like he can turn him around then send a 6th over for him

I'd send a 6th no problem 

[micnificent28]

Just now, Prime said:

I know it's crazy sounding and I understand why people are giving you so much hate. But I also know where you are coming from. We are on a path to 8 and 8 for 3 or 4 straight seasons and that's the worst spot any team can be in, imo. Winning this year is definitely gonna cost us. Teddy is good but he's not good enough. I'm one of the few that will agree with you 

I'm with yall as well. But some people think your not a fan if you don't agree with everything the panthers do and can't see the big picture. I keep pointing towards the hornets so people can see how the hornets with kemba were good enough to get to the playoffs but not good enough to challenge anyone there which lead to years of first round exits. Thats a terrible place to be in.

[TDAllDay]

19 hours ago, SaltnPepper said:

For those of you thinking winning now is the right thing to do let me show you why you are wrong.

First my version of tanking would have been to not sign Davis, Teddy or traded for that OT.

I would have run with what we could keep from last years team and treated the entire season as a roster evaluation thus ensuring the first pick.

So we would coach hard and play hard and probably just come up short in games.

Now I've seen the stupid stink of losing argument on here. Jimmy Johnson took over a 3-13 team. Took Aikman. Went 1-15 in his first season got another number 1 and the rest is history.

Let's look at the Cowboys. They were dominant with Rodger. Dropped off with Danny. Weren't dominant again until they got Troy and since Troy retired they have been bad to ok. The key? Bad owner and no QB. (Romo was not a stud)

Dolphins

Great with Bobby G then after they lost him sucked until Marino and have been irrelevant since he retired. That's long down periods.

Steelers
Dominant with number one overall Terry B. Then they were off the Earth until Cower got there. But horse teeth and Kordell couldn't get it done ( both these guys are Teddy Bridgewater) then they got Ben and were winning championships again.

Packers

Dominant with Bart then drop off the planet until Farve. How long was that? Then they lucked into Rodgers.

Chargers

They had Fouts and were good
Then nothing until Rivers

Giants

Nothing after the 60s until they got Simms
Did ok but dropped with Hostettler
Became obscure until Eli

Bill's

Nothing till Kelly
Nothing since until Allen

I could go on and on with probably every team in the league.

QBs don't grow on trees and y'alls problem is that the Panthers have been rather fortunate in the QB department and success department.


You guys constantly say win now and get a QB later? So when is that going to happen?
10 years from now? 20? 30?

The fact is we had a chance to control our own destiny and do something few teams have ever done move from one great QB to another without years of average in between.

Trevor would have been our chance to build a multiyear dominance now.

You guys constantly throw out Rodgers and others taken outside the top 5. Well that depends on the other teams missing them.

I love Thomas Davis but we should have taken Rodgers. I love CMC but we should have taken Mahomes. We made mistakes both those years. Are you willing to hope other teams are stupid during our search for a QB?

If we start consistently making the playoffs with Teddy but never getting to the NFC championship where is our savior going to come from?

How long will we have to wait?

Winning now if we don't get at least Lance has probably cost at least 15 years of no ring.


I'm wrong.

Fixed for you.

[Jon Snow]

3 hours ago, Moo Daeng said:

I wish we could have the fans from 15 years ago.

Except for Chuck.