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Why Winning Now Will Cost Us About 15 Years

SaltnPepper

By SaltnPepper,
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1 hour ago, Sean Payton's Vicodin said:

Simms got injured in the playoffs, Scott Norwood missed a FG, and then they gave the job the next offseason to Hostetler, who then had a very impressive season, going 7-5 and throwing 5 tds to 4 ints.

Just answering your question...

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You just keep on starting the same repackaged thread with different wrapping. You have already been shown how many QBs outside the #1 pick and even top 10 picks have won championships during the last decade, much less 15 years. 

There is no cookie cutter way to build a championship team or even a perennial legitimate competitor! You have to look at your personnel at any given time and make adjustments on the fly every single season. 

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5 hours ago, SaltnPepper said:

Show me why I'm wrong. 

What have I said that's not factual?

I can show you why you're wrong very simply and easily. You've written a lengthy post that almost entirely misses the crux of the tank/ don't tank argument. The single most relevant point you attempt to dismiss with a throw away line. It is this:

Not just Rodgers, but look across the NFL landscape today and over the past whatever period of time you care to name. There is no period in NFL history that you can point to where it was true that in order to get a top flight qb, you had to be picking in the top five. Most of the best qb's are taken in the first round, this is true. What is not true is that the preponderance of them are taken at the top of the first round.

The history of the NFL shows quite clearly that in order to land a top flight qb, two things are required: a first round pick, and some luck. It's even possible to land an elite qb outside the first round, though admittedly this is statistically far less likely. There are a dozen qb's drafted in later rounds for every Russell Wilson, Drew Brees or Tom Brady. As long as you do not trade away your first round picks, history says you will always have a chance at securing an elite qb. Every team gets a first round pick, therefore it is not necessary to tank. 

Your lengthy post presents pretty much zero evidence to support your central underlying premise: that in order to get an elite qb, you must select him in the top of the first round. Elite qb's have been drafted at the top of the first, sure, but just as many or more have been drafted later, thus tanking is unnecessary. You've presented many facts, unfortunately they are all peripheral to the central issue, and that is where your argument fails. It is built around a flawed premise that you support inadequately.

 

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2 hours ago, Matt62881 said:

Something maybe even more rare then an Elite QB..... Elite coaching and I believe we have finally found an elite coach. Not just an Elite coach but coordinators to go along with the coach. Now I'm hoping Tepper will be able to pay said coordinators enough to keep them for more then 3 years. 

Bingo.

As for Tepper paying up, he has no partners and an unlimited checkbook -- we good.

 

 

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2 hours ago, Call Me James said:

You're just speaking on your wishes.  I'm without question smarter than you and have a better athletic record than you. 

But keep rambling. 

You asked me to answer your questions and I did. Somehow, despite being unable to offer a rebuttal you’re “without question smarter and more athletic.” OK, Trump. 

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6 hours ago, SaltnPepper said:

For those of you thinking winning now is the right thing to do let me show you why you are wrong.

First my version of tanking would have been to not sign Davis, Teddy or traded for that OT.

I would have run with what we could keep from last years team and treated the entire season as a roster evaluation thus ensuring the first pick.

So we would coach hard and play hard and probably just come up short in games.

Now I've seen the stupid stink of losing argument on here. Jimmy Johnson took over a 3-13 team. Took Aikman. Went 1-15 in his first season got another number 1 and the rest is history.

Let's look at the Cowboys. They were dominant with Rodger. Dropped off with Danny. Weren't dominant again until they got Troy and since Troy retired they have been bad to ok. The key? Bad owner and no QB. (Romo was not a stud)

Dolphins

Great with Bobby G then after they lost him sucked until Marino and have been irrelevant since he retired. That's long down periods.

Steelers
Dominant with number one overall Terry B. Then they were off the Earth until Cower got there. But horse teeth and Kordell couldn't get it done ( both these guys are Teddy Bridgewater) then they got Ben and were winning championships again.

Packers

Dominant with Bart then drop off the planet until Farve. How long was that? Then they lucked into Rodgers.

Chargers

They had Fouts and were good
Then nothing until Rivers

Giants

Nothing after the 60s until they got Simms
Did ok but dropped with Hostettler
Became obscure until Eli

Bill's

Nothing till Kelly
Nothing since until Allen

I could go on and on with probably every team in the league.

QBs don't grow on trees and y'alls problem is that the Panthers have been rather fortunate in the QB department and success department.


You guys constantly say win now and get a QB later? So when is that going to happen?
10 years from now? 20? 30?

The fact is we had a chance to control our own destiny and do something few teams have ever done move from one great QB to another without years of average in between.

Trevor would have been our chance to build a multiyear dominance now.

You guys constantly throw out Rodgers and others taken outside the top 5. Well that depends on the other teams missing them.

I love Thomas Davis but we should have taken Rodgers. I love CMC but we should have taken Mahomes. We made mistakes both those years. Are you willing to hope other teams are stupid during our search for a QB?

If we start consistently making the playoffs with Teddy but never getting to the NFC championship where is our savior going to come from?

How long will we have to wait?

Winning now if we don't get at least Lance has probably cost at least 15 years of no ring.


Show me why I'm wrong.

You don’t want to win now because it *might* cost a shot at winning later? I’m not the smart football analyst here like @PhillyB or @Mr. Scot, but that seems illogical. 

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