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Why Winning Now Will Cost Us About 15 Years

SaltnPepper

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3 hours ago, SaltnPepper said:

For those of you thinking winning now is the right thing to do let me show you why you are wrong.

First my version of tanking would have been to not sign Davis, Teddy or traded for that OT.

I would have run with what we could keep from last years team and treated the entire season as a roster evaluation thus ensuring the first pick.

So we would coach hard and play hard and probably just come up short in games.

Now I've seen the stupid stink of losing argument on here. Jimmy Johnson took over a 3-13 team. Took Aikman. Went 1-15 in his first season got another number 1 and the rest is history.

Let's look at the Cowboys. They were dominant with Rodger. Dropped off with Danny. Weren't dominant again until they got Troy and since Troy retired they have been bad to ok. The key? Bad owner and no QB. (Romo was not a stud)

Dolphins

Great with Bobby G then after they lost him sucked until Marino and have been irrelevant since he retired. That's long down periods.

Steelers
Dominant with number one overall Terry B. Then they were off the Earth until Cower got there. But horse teeth and Kordell couldn't get it done ( both these guys are Teddy Bridgewater) then they got Ben and were winning championships again.

Packers

Dominant with Bart then drop off the planet until Farve. How long was that? Then they lucked into Rodgers.

Chargers

They had Fouts and were good
Then nothing until Rivers

Giants

Nothing after the 60s until they got Simms
Did ok but dropped with Hostettler
Became obscure until Eli

Bill's

Nothing till Kelly
Nothing since until Allen

I could go on and on with probably every team in the league.

QBs don't grow on trees and y'alls problem is that the Panthers have been rather fortunate in the QB department and success department.


You guys constantly say win now and get a QB later? So when is that going to happen?
10 years from now? 20? 30?

The fact is we had a chance to control our own destiny and do something few teams have ever done move from one great QB to another without years of average in between.

Trevor would have been our chance to build a multiyear dominance now.

You guys constantly throw out Rodgers and others taken outside the top 5. Well that depends on the other teams missing them.

I love Thomas Davis but we should have taken Rodgers. I love CMC but we should have taken Mahomes. We made mistakes both those years. Are you willing to hope other teams are stupid during our search for a QB?

If we start consistently making the playoffs with Teddy but never getting to the NFC championship where is our savior going to come from?

How long will we have to wait?

Winning now if we don't get at least Lance has probably cost at least 15 years of no ring.


Show me why I'm wrong.

Lol stop. The chargers went to a super bowl with stan humphries. The defense is extremely young up front and that wins championships. 

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22 minutes ago, Carl Spackler said:

What’s more impressive? The lower completion percentage? Lower QB rating? Half the rushing yards in twice the games? Beating the Citadel, UNCC, Furman, Wofford, trash ACC teams and getting his ass handed to him in the national championship game? I like Trevor but he’s nowhere near as valuable a player as Cam was when he was drafted. You’re a prisoner of the moment. 

He's won a National Championship and lost one while having to go through a playoff. 

Yes more impressive. 

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As a draftnik, I partially agree with you. I feel like those who have that win for the sake of the team moral are mistaken. All wins are meaningless if your not making it to the playoffs and have the talent to make some noise. Is this a playoff roster??? May in the NFL east. My biggest fear is ending up like the hornets middle of the road.

Right at the edge of playoff picture and sliding in only to get bludgeoned in the head in the first round year after year. To good to get a top 10 pick but bad enough where your no where close to seriously contending.

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1 minute ago, micnificent28 said:

 

As a draftnik, I partially agree with you. I feel like those who have that win for the sake of the team moral are mistaken. All wins are meaningless if your not making it to the playoffs and have the talent to make some noise. Is this a playoff roster??? May in the NFL east. My biggest fear is ending up like the hornets middle of the road.

Right at the edge of playoff picture and sliding in only to get bludgeoned in the head in the first round year after year. To good to get a top 10 pick but bad enough where your no where close to seriously contending.

That is my point.

First or last is what I want. 

Nothing in between. 

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3 hours ago, SaltnPepper said:

For those of you thinking winning now is the right thing to do let me show you why you are wrong.

First my version of tanking would have been to not sign Davis, Teddy or traded for that OT.

I would have run with what we could keep from last years team and treated the entire season as a roster evaluation thus ensuring the first pick.

So we would coach hard and play hard and probably just come up short in games.

Now I've seen the stupid stink of losing argument on here. Jimmy Johnson took over a 3-13 team. Took Aikman. Went 1-15 in his first season got another number 1 and the rest is history.

Let's look at the Cowboys. They were dominant with Rodger. Dropped off with Danny. Weren't dominant again until they got Troy and since Troy retired they have been bad to ok. The key? Bad owner and no QB. (Romo was not a stud)

Dolphins

Great with Bobby G then after they lost him sucked until Marino and have been irrelevant since he retired. That's long down periods.

Steelers
Dominant with number one overall Terry B. Then they were off the Earth until Cower got there. But horse teeth and Kordell couldn't get it done ( both these guys are Teddy Bridgewater) then they got Ben and were winning championships again.

Packers

Dominant with Bart then drop off the planet until Farve. How long was that? Then they lucked into Rodgers.

Chargers

They had Fouts and were good
Then nothing until Rivers

Giants

Nothing after the 60s until they got Simms
Did ok but dropped with Hostettler
Became obscure until Eli

Bill's

Nothing till Kelly
Nothing since until Allen

I could go on and on with probably every team in the league.

QBs don't grow on trees and y'alls problem is that the Panthers have been rather fortunate in the QB department and success department.


You guys constantly say win now and get a QB later? So when is that going to happen?
10 years from now? 20? 30?

The fact is we had a chance to control our own destiny and do something few teams have ever done move from one great QB to another without years of average in between.

Trevor would have been our chance to build a multiyear dominance now.

You guys constantly throw out Rodgers and others taken outside the top 5. Well that depends on the other teams missing them.

I love Thomas Davis but we should have taken Rodgers. I love CMC but we should have taken Mahomes. We made mistakes both those years. Are you willing to hope other teams are stupid during our search for a QB?

If we start consistently making the playoffs with Teddy but never getting to the NFC championship where is our savior going to come from?

How long will we have to wait?

Winning now if we don't get at least Lance has probably cost at least 15 years of no ring.


Show me why I'm wrong.

LOL....I don't think any of this is evidence of what you think you are saying. 

 

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1 minute ago, TrevorLaurenceTime22 said:

Plunkett was NOT a member of the 1976 SB winning Raiders.... eeeesh your dense, Grasp for straws Chucky boi.

No but he was a member of the raiders while Stabler was.

So my point remains.

Going out and finding a second stud within 15 years of your first one.

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