When CMC comes back

[Khyber53]

28 minutes ago, GoobyPls said:

Try not to run him to ground.

People say this all the time, but you get nowhere but fired in the NFL if you are a coach and you use your stud players anything less than all the time.

Reid isn't benching Mahomes once they have a lead. Belichick didn't bench Brady when he had a lead. And those are winning coaches. Coaches that are losing, struggling or just trying to establish themselves also don't have the luxury of NOT overusing their best players.

It's a win now business and it sure as hell is a win now fanbase --- even here in Carolina. You can see it here on The Huddle for sure. You can see it at work in every fan base.

You play a player until they either can't compete at the top or they can't answer the bell (to borrow a phrase from boxing). It's play for today because no one knows if you, or they, will have a tomorrow. 

They won't rest CMC while the game, the season or the career of the coach or player are on the line. Sorry, it just doesn't happen here in the big leagues. Even CMC was pushing hard at the end in 2019s meaningless season, pushing to set a nearly unachievable accomplishment and to put laurels and garlands on a career that could end up in the Hall of Fame. 

Football careers, are brutal, violent, unforgiving and always over way too soon. It may be a bitter truth, but it is part of what makes the game a sport that has endured in the public eye. 

[Bronn]

2 minutes ago, jfra78 said:

I also feel as tho Davis + Bonafon can replace CMC.  

100%

The league is a passing league right now. Teams that succeed the most can pass the best.

I full on agree and would argue that CMC is the best receiving RB, and the best overall RB in the league and has been for a couple years.

That said, we've won two games without him, and lost two games with him, this season.

[NAS]

1 minute ago, Bronn said:

100%

The league is a passing league right now. Teams that succeed the most can pass the best.

I full on agree and would argue that CMC is the best receiving RB, and the best overall RB in the league and has been for a couple years.

That said, we've won two games without him, and lost two games with him, this season.

Correlation isn’t causation. We won because our defense improved. We will need CMC to have any hope of beating really explosive teams.  It’s the passing league and CMC is the perfect running back for it.

[Bronn]

22 minutes ago, Khyber53 said:

People say this all the time, but you get nowhere but fired in the NFL if you are a coach and you use your stud players anything less than all the time.

Reid isn't benching Mahomes once they have a lead. Belichick didn't bench Brady when he had a lead. And those are winning coaches. Coaches that are losing, struggling or just trying to establish themselves also don't have the luxury of NOT overusing their best players.

It's a win now business and it sure as hell is a win now fanbase --- even here in Carolina. You can see it here on The Huddle for sure. You can see it at work in every fan base.

You play a player until they either can't compete at the top or they can't answer the bell (to borrow a phrase from boxing). It's play for today because no one knows if you, or they, will have a tomorrow. 

They won't rest CMC while the game, the season or the career of the coach or player are on the line. Sorry, it just doesn't happen here in the big leagues. Even CMC was pushing hard at the end in 2019s meaningless season, pushing to set a nearly unachievable accomplishment and to put laurels and garlands on a career that could end up in the Hall of Fame. 

Football careers, are brutal, violent, unforgiving and always over way too soon. It may be a bitter truth, but it is part of what makes the game a sport that has endured in the public eye. 

Part of the problem is that our best player is a RB. Not a QB like you used in your example.

That's where we need to improve.

I like Teddy. I harbor no ill will towards him other than the fact that he's what we were given after they handled the Cam situation so badly. We literally ran Cam into the ground because we were incompetent, and then we threw him away like trash.

Part of the reason we have been unsuccessful in the past is because CMC was forced touches. I don't think anyone could argue it.

His stat sheet looks good, but look at the guys around him in the past compared to this year.

[BrianS]

Are we on drugs here?

Look, Davis and Reggie have done fine, just fine.  But . . . neither of them is a GAME CHANGER.  CMC is.

That said, what would it do for CMC's career if, in certain packages, we had Davis or Bonnafon in the backfield and CMC lines up as the slot receiver?  That's the sort of thing DC's have nightmares about, and having him in the slot would keep him on the field, and possibly extend his career by allowing him to take less punishment.

[Bronn]

1 minute ago, NAS said:

Correlation isn’t causation. We won because our defense improved. We will need CMC to have any hope of beating really explosive teams.  It’s the passing league and CMC is the perfect running back for it.

Our offense has improved as well. In the air. In the red zone. In the ground game.

CMC isn't there for us to force feed. That handicapped us. Now we're free to give other guys looks.

DJ and Samuel have both improved by leaps and bounds when Teddy has been forced to actually find them. How many looks have the TEs got when CMC was in there?

[Bronn]

2 minutes ago, BrianS said:

Are we on drugs here?

Look, Davis and Reggie have done fine, just fine.  But . . . neither of them is a GAME CHANGER.  CMC is.

That said, what would it do for CMC's career if, in certain packages, we had Davis or Bonnafon in the backfield and CMC lines up as the slot receiver?  That's the sort of thing DC's have nightmares about, and having him in the slot would keep him on the field, and possibly extend his career by allowing him to take less punishment.

Who remembers Bonnafon ripping off a CMC-esque run vs. Jacksonville a year ago?

I do.

GAME CHANGER is just hyperbole tbqh.

The Panthers have had like 5 GAME CHANGERS in their entire existence. They cut two of them, forced one to leave in free agency, sent one to an early retirement, and still have one currently on IR.

They've won games with a lot less than we've got now. Having such players does not a team make.

[Waldo]

Maybe a couple of snaps with CMC out wide and Davis in the backfield? Or both in the backfield. That would be fun. CmC is too damn versatile and draws to much focus to not try something and give Davis some snaps. 

[NAS]

5 minutes ago, Bronn said:

Our offense has improved as well. In the air. In the red zone. In the ground game.

CMC isn't there for us to force feed. That handicapped us. Now we're free to give other guys looks.

DJ and Samuel have both improved by leaps and bounds when Teddy has been forced to actually find them. How many looks have the TEs got when CMC was in there?

Again, you’re assuming those improvements are due to “force feeding” of CMC.  We struggled in red zone last week too. Maybe Joe Brady has improved his play-calling in the last game. You’re forcefully connecting the dots that may not be there. I think this offense will be even more potent when CMC returns

[Bronn]

7 minutes ago, NAS said:

Again, you’re assuming those improvements are due to “force feeding” of CMC.  We struggled in red zone last week too. Maybe Joe Brady has improved his play-calling in the last game. You’re forcefully connecting the dots that may not be there. I think this offense will be even more potent when CMC returns

I agree it will. I'm just arguing that we can, and have, get wins without him.

[NAS]

1 minute ago, Bronn said:

I agree it will. I'm just arguing that we can, and have, get wins without him.

I agree which is why I think it’s great we’re not just a one man offense. CMC in a multiple threat offense will be unstoppable 

[Bronn]

Just now, NAS said:

I agree which is why I think it’s great we’re not just a one man offense. CMC in a multiple threat offense will be unstoppable 

I agree here is well.

But, you still haven't really discounted the argument that we should trade CMC for a huge return while we can.

[NAS]

Just now, Bronn said:

I agree here is well.

But, you still haven't really discounted the argument that we should trade CMC for a huge return while we can.

I don’t think you can get anyone to give you enough picks to warrant that trade. Herschel Walker  trade will not happen again.

[ncsfinest21]

CMC will put alot of threat there in my opinion. I dont think teams worry about davis in short passing games like CMC. Linebackers will drop back and give Davis the underneath. But CMC they are petrified of. This will greatly help Robby and Moore in the 15 to 20 yard passes.