Shaq

[Bartin]

1 hour ago, SetfreexX said:

Avoid reason, I broke his deal down when it happened. Ppl don't look at the money for the CURRENT season or the guaranteed. 

They just see the total and divide by the years so they can complain.   

If he is cut after two years, it is still $14M per year. Over $10M of signing bonus proration still remains in years 3-5 that will be accounted for on the salary cap.

[TheCasillas]

2 minutes ago, Bartin said:

If he is cut after two years, it is still $14M per year. Over $10M of signing bonus proration still remains in years 3-5 that will be accounted for on the salary cap.

Why would he be cut? He is Outperforming 85% of the league that plays his position?

[Khyber53]

Sheesh, the guy had a good game. The money is already spent.

Why keep dragging this up? You like to pick old scabs, don't you, OP?

Let it go. Watch the games, cheer for the team.

It's all make believe money this season anyway.

[Bartin]

Just now, TheCasillas said:

Why would he be cut? He is Outperforming 85% of the league that plays his position?

I’m not saying he would be. The conversation I was responding to was suggesting it could be a 2 year, $17M deal because that’s the total of the cap numbers in the first two years.

[TheCasillas]

Just now, Bartin said:

I’m not saying he would be. The conversation I was responding to was suggesting it could be a 2 year, $17M deal because that’s the total of the cap numbers in the first two years.

Okay, my bad. I read It as you were saying we would cut him after this year. My Mind was blow, hahh.

[Ricky Spanish]

35 minutes ago, TheCasillas said:

He is having a better season than everyone on that list. Worth it.

Not disagreeing or saying he's having a bad year, just saying the original comparison, while technically correct, was not entirely accurate. 

Having said that, it'd still be nice to have Bradberry too. 

[TheCasillas]

5 minutes ago, Ricky Spanish said:

Not disagreeing or saying he's having a bad year, just saying the original comparison, while technically correct, was not entirely accurate. 

Having said that, it'd still be nice to have Bradberry too. 

That’s fair. However, by season’s end - I have a feeling we won’t be thinking about bradberry like

we were Norman. 

[1of10Charnatives]

19 minutes ago, Khyber53 said:

Sheesh, the guy had a good game. The money is already spent.

Why keep dragging this up? You like to pick old scabs, don't you, OP?

Let it go. Watch the games, cheer for the team.

It's all make believe money this season anyway.

Actually, now that you can roll unspent cap money forward, there is no such thing as make believe money in the NFL anymore. Every dollar spent poorly matters, because you could have spent it better somewhere else in the future. Every Matt Kalil dead cap dollar is money that could have gone to CMC's new contract. Likewise any money spent to retain Shaq that was more than what was needed. The ability to roll cap money forward intensifies the degree to which GM's that manage payroll effectively outshine those that don't, which is another reason to ditch Hurney. Sure there is a new CBA in the works, but I doubt this change is going away.

[Khyber53]

Just now, 1of10Charnatives said:

Actually, now that you can roll unspent cap money forward, there is no such thing as make believe money in the NFL anymore. Every dollar spent poorly matters, because you could have spent it better somewhere else in the future. Every Matt Kalil dead cap dollar is money that could have gone to CMC's new contract. Likewise any money spent to retain Shaq that was more than what was needed. The ability to roll cap money forward intensifies the degree to which GM's that manage payroll effectively outshine those that don't, which is another reason to ditch Hurney. Sure there is a new CBA in the works, but I doubt this change is going away.

I understand what you are saying, but the reality is that there are so many loop holes, so many exceptions, so many ways to move the money back and forth from year to year that in the end, it doesn't really matter. And, as the Saints have been proving for years, you can keep dodging and kicking the can down the road pretty much forever. 

Shaq's numbers for this year are fine, but they grow massively next year and stay high for the following two years. That's what is on the books. Right now. What is on the books in the future may be different, as contracts are often restructured in times of need.

Right now, he is the only LB we have that is really starting material. Jeremy Chinn is listed as LB currently, but he's definitely a hybrid Safety/LB (and man, is he good). This contract was done to retain Shaq and lock him in with the team during what all imagined would be a couple of years of turmoil. Like Teddy Bridgewater, he wasn't locked in there to be a mega star, but instead a solid centerpiece to work the rebuild around. And just like the foundation of your home, he doesn't have to look like a world beater, he just has to be strong, steady and reliable for the rest of the place to look like a palace. 

I think it's money well spent and some of it is also getting back some dollars he really earned over what his rookie contract gave him. This is a guy who has been in the starting lineup pretty much since day 1. He, for better or worse, is our veteran guy back there. One trained up by Thomas Davis and the great Luuuuuke. 

Shaq is a foundational player rather than a franchise player. Sometimes that's worth paying a bit more for, especially when the star power is looking a little thin.

Just my take, and no disrespect to your take.

[stbugs]

16 hours ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Look at the structure. He's a $10.7M player this year. $7.2M next year. We'll have a decision to make after next year. That contract can easily become a two year deal.

People in here don’t get contracts and how they hit the cap. Never will.

[pantherclaw]

18 hours ago, onmyown said:

worth 14 mil a year?

He is the unquestioned leader of our LBs, and all he does is makes plays. 

Y'all are blind. 

[jfra78]

6 hours ago, kungfoodude said:

So you are telling me that you hate the Panthers?

If we got Parsons, I will be excited too

[Icege]

3 hours ago, Ricky Spanish said:

Ehhhh yes and no.

Unfortunately, the NFL labels pass rushing linebackers as LBers as well, so guys like Von Miller and Khalil Mack's contracts are also in the mix of contract comparison. 

Looking at the rankings, Shaq is currently being paid the highest of any 4-3 LBer in the NFL:

That is looking at the average of the contract at max value rather than the salary cap hit which is more relevant to the convo (imo). Folks keep saying $14M when he is only making $7.2M this season AND his contract is structured so that he can be let go or pressed to restructure before next year when he is set to make $14M.

*This was also why I included ILB contract rankings as those aren't littered with pass rushers.

Lavonte David is pulling $2.5M more than Shaq and I don't see Bucs fans up in arms about his pay (tho tbf, I don't see Bucs fans in general).

[t96]

19 hours ago, 1of10Charnatives said:

Honestly? 

No.

Did he play well today? Sure. Did he play well enough to convince me he's worth as much as we were paying Luke? Not even close.

Luke signed that contract like 5 years ago though, cap has risen a ton since then, so it's not exactly a good comparison. Definitely still think Shaq is overpaid, but his contract relative to Luke's isn't the same, it's a lower percentage of the cap.