"Teddy will never be good enough" crowd

[thefuzz]

6 minutes ago, jb2288 said:

Eh idk. Maybe 10 years ago. The game has changed so much the past 10 years. Hell even the last 3 years. I think a strong arm is way more important now than it ever has been. You have to stretch the field in the modern NFL

Disagree 100%.

Arm strength, to me, is the icing on the cake.  Nice to have, but not necessary.

Accuracy and anticipation is much more valuable to me.

[ChibCU]

8 minutes ago, jb2288 said:

Eh idk. Maybe 10 years ago. The game has changed so much the past 10 years. Hell even the last 3 years. I think a strong arm is way more important now than it ever has been. You have to stretch the field in the modern NFL

If looking at recent trends, it appears that being able to extend plays outside the pocket is more important than chucking it down the field. One way to not rely solely on an offensive line is to move the pocket away from the direction of the blitzers.

[Shotgun]

Just now, thefuzz said:

Disagree 100%.

Arm strength, to me, is the icing on the cake.  Nice to have, but not necessary.

Accuracy and anticipation is much more valuable to me.

Brees or matty ice arm strength, sure you can make it work. Teddy arm strength.... good luck.

[Mr. Scot]

1 minute ago, Shotgun said:

Brees or matty ice arm strength, sure you can make it work. Teddy arm strength.... good luck.

You can get away with it in a system like ours if you have enough dynamic playmakers that can take the ball from anywhere in the field and run it to the end zone.

We've definitely got some of those, but our best one has been injured for several weeks.

[LinvilleGorge]

19 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Nope. Fans love guys that can throw it sixty yards downfield but it's not about throwing it a long way or even throwing it hard. It's about throwing it to a spot where it needs to be and doing so accurately.

For me, a strong arm is well down the list of priorities for a quarterback. Accuracy and brains are the top two by a mile.

Teddy is 2nd in the league in on target percentage and yet he's 3-8 as a starter this year and has come up short on every situation when he had a chance to lead a game winning or game tying drive. Seems to me there may be a bit more to it other than just being accurate.

[Mr. Scot]

1 minute ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Teddy is 2nd in the league in on target percentage and yet he's 3-8 as a starter this year and has come up short on every situation when he had a chance to lead a game winning or game tying drive. Seems to me there may be a bit more to it other than just being accurate.

Not having a cannon arm doesn't necessarily mean having a weak arm.

But as mentioned above, even with a weak armed quarterback you can get away with it in a system like ours if you've got enough dynamic playmakers.

I know some people think Mike Davis has filled in well enough, but the reality is not having Christian McCaffrey has really taken a lot of the threat out of our offense and exposed our weaknesses.

[OldhamA]

4 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Teddy is 2nd in the league in on target percentage and yet he's 3-8 as a starter this year and has come up short on every situation when he had a chance to lead a game winning or game tying drive. Seems to me there may be a bit more to it other than just being accurate.

Well I mean he doesn't play defence. 

[LinvilleGorge]

4 minutes ago, OldhamA said:

Well I mean he doesn't play defence. 

Which would be permissible if he played QB better.

[Shotgun]

14 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Teddy is 2nd in the league in on target percentage and yet he's 3-8 as a starter this year and has come up short on every situation when he had a chance to lead a game winning or game tying drive. Seems to me there may be a bit more to it other than just being accurate.

Throwing 1 yard passes on 3rd & 13 really helps the ole completion %. 

[Shotgun]

19 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

You can get away with it in a system like ours if you have enough dynamic playmakers that can take the ball from anywhere in the field and run it to the end zone.

We've definitely got some of those, but our best one has been injured for several weeks.

If a 3-8 record is what you're after then sure you can "get away with it".

[Mr. Scot]

7 minutes ago, Shotgun said:

If a 3-8 record is what you're after then sure you can "get away with it".

You seriously think having McCaffrey wouldn't have made a difference in those games?

[thefuzz]

33 minutes ago, Shotgun said:

Brees or matty ice arm strength, sure you can make it work. Teddy arm strength.... good luck.

I disagree, but that's just me.

I think that Teddy has the arm to make the throws needed, he just doesn't have the "gunslinger" in him that would make him make those throws.  He ALWAYS prefers the safest route, that's what holds him back so much.

[LinvilleGorge]

7 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Not having a cannon arm doesn't necessarily mean having a weak arm.

But as mentioned above, even with a weak armed quarterback you can get away with it in a system like ours if you've got enough dynamic playmakers.

I know some people think Mike Davis has filled in well enough, but the reality is not having Christian McCaffrey has really taken a lot of the threat out of our offense and exposed our weaknesses.

He's 28th in the league in average air yards per attempt and per completion. 1st in throwaways with 17. Still 17th in INT percentage. 24th in TD percentage. 10th in pressure percentage so it's not due intense pressure. He's not a starting caliber NFL QB.

[KSpan]

36 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Not having a cannon arm doesn't necessarily mean having a weak arm.

But as mentioned above, even with a weak armed quarterback you can get away with it in a system like ours if you've got enough dynamic playmakers.

I know some people think Mike Davis has filled in well enough, but the reality is not having Christian McCaffrey has really taken a lot of the threat out of our offense and exposed our weaknesses.

No, you really can't because the best defenses will just sit down as we've seen already this year. The guys that continually get brought up have both the physical ability and mental acuity to take true deep shots downfield and keep things honest even if it's not a big part of the offense. Defenses do not fear Teddy at all and as such there are no dynamics in Carolina's passing game. The result is what we're already seeing happen.

With respect to Brees I'd even argue that he has lacked true dynamics for several years and the Saints have been perennial also-rans for the better part of a decade. Lots of regular-season wins but dating back to 2013 that stellar offense has scored, in thier last playoff games,  20 or fewer in 3 of their last 7, 24 or fewer in 5 of their last 7, and 26 or fewer in 6 of their last 7 (scored 31 in the 7th). A stronger defense would help there as well but again, you have to be able to beat the best and the best are often strong in both phases.