What Arizona Cardinals fans are saying.

[Megadeth]

On 10/2/2020 at 9:30 PM, nctarheelreincarnated said:

Na, just wishing they would pick top 5. Here’s some facts before you say I have a losing mentality. 1. This team on paper was predicted to win 4 games tops by most analyst and Vegas.  2. The defense isn’t good enough to warrant us to keep winning. That’s just a weirdo mentality, this is the Huddle so I should’ve expected it I suppose. 3. The talent level isn’t there. To warrant winning in a rebuilding year. Lastly, The freaking Owner came out and said this will take a while. Even he doesn’t expect us to win this year. 
 

This is 2020, not the Ron Rivera years. Winning more than 5 games this year means possibly missing out on a Franchise QB.  That’s what you guys want Teddy BridgetothenextQB as our franchise QB? You can have him. 

I always prefer a top pick, over a lower one. But as people have always corrected me on this matter, when going QB most of the time top 5 is no guarantee for a franchise QB. Wilson and Mahomes are top 2, then you have Lamar, none of these dudes were top 5 picks.

[nctarheelreincarnated]

3 hours ago, Megadeth said:

I always prefer a top pick, over a lower one. But as people have always corrected me on this matter, when going QB most of the time top 5 is no guarantee for a franchise QB. Wilson and Mahomes are top 2, then you have Lamar, none of these dudes were top 5 picks.

Fair. Two out of the three were first rounders though. 

[1of10Charnatives]

3 hours ago, nctarheelreincarnated said:

Fair. Two out of the three were first rounders though. 

Right but the most fundamental underlying point about not tanking to get a top QB prospect is that looking around the league, while most good QB's are taken in the first round, every team does get a first round pick, and the evidence is strongly against it needing to be a top 5 pick in order to land a top flight qb. So all you really need is your first rounder, which you're going to get anyway, it doesn't have to be at the top, hence tanking isn't necessary.

I mean look at the draft of the best QB we've ever had, Cam. Yes we took him with the very first pick, but the Seahawks got Wilson in the third and he's proven to be every bit as good as Cam, arguably better. Based on his college performance, should Wilson have really been taken in the first? I'd say yes, that he slipped to the third just because of what turned out to be unwarranted concerns about his size. But even adjusting for that mistake by every team in the league, Wilson's college pedigree wouldn't have made him a top 10 pick, it most likely would have made him bottom half of the first round.

I think history shows great qb's can be had anywhere in the first round. After that it take a lot of luck to get a great one (remember even the Seahawks passed on Wilson twice before drafting him in the third), but as long as your GM doesn't trade away your first rounder, you've always got as good a shot as any other team really, because it's still gonna be somewhat of a crap shoot.

[nctarheelreincarnated]

1 hour ago, 1of10Charnatives said:

Right but the most fundamental underlying point about not tanking to get a top QB prospect is that looking around the league, while most good QB's are taken in the first round, every team does get a first round pick, and the evidence is strongly against it needing to be a top 5 pick in order to land a top flight qb. So all you really need is your first rounder, which you're going to get anyway, it doesn't have to be at the top, hence tanking isn't necessary.

I mean look at the draft of the best QB we've ever had, Cam. Yes we took him with the very first pick, but the Seahawks got Wilson in the third and he's proven to be every bit as good as Cam, arguably better. Based on his college performance, should Wilson have really been taken in the first? I'd say yes, that he slipped to the third just because of what turned out to be unwarranted concerns about his size. But even adjusting for that mistake by every team in the league, Wilson's college pedigree wouldn't have made him a top 10 pick, it most likely would have made him bottom half of the first round.

I think history shows great qb's can be had anywhere in the first round. After that it take a lot of luck to get a great one (remember even the Seahawks passed on Wilson twice before drafting him in the third), but as long as your GM doesn't trade away your first rounder, you've always got as good a shot as any other team really, because it's still gonna be somewhat of a crap shoot.

Russell Wilson was taken the year after Cam, Andrew Luck Draft. I agree that you can find a solid QB in the first, but if you look at the QB's after the first 3 next year. There leaves a lot to be desired, maybe Trask can become a can't miss first rounder, and maybe there are other QB's that come out of nowhere to become fringe first rounders. But, right now? A lot is left to be desired. A lot of Mocks have Jamie Newman as the 4th QB taken. That made me shiver. I was like no way. 

[1of10Charnatives]

16 minutes ago, nctarheelreincarnated said:

Russell Wilson was taken the year after Cam, Andrew Luck Draft.

My bad, faulty memory. Don't get old. Underlying point unchanged. 

You're saying at what is the beginning of the CFB season, a season which will be one huge crapshoot because of Covid, that you don't like any of the qb prospects beyond the first three. I remind you that if you'd been posting this one year ago, you almost certainly would not have been excited about Joe Burrow, who went into the season regarded as at best a late round prospect, yet seems off to a quite promising pro start at a place not noted for organizational success.

Regardless, there will be perfectly acceptable qb prospects in the next draft, and the next, and the year after that. This year's draft is not the only one worth a damn for the next decade. Does it look like it has the potential to rival 83? Sure, but how many Super Bowls did all those hotshots drafted in 83 collectively win?

Marino-zip

Kelly-zip

Elway-two, but only at the tail end of his career when finally given a strong rb to work with and he was arguably no longer the primary engine of the offense. 

To wit, it is not Top 10 pick to get a qb or bust and never has been.