NFL’s Top 10 Deep Passers

[LinvilleGorge]

2 hours ago, Icege said:

When I see folks dumping on Teddy's team friendly contract, say that he will never lead a team to a postseason despite already doing so, question is ability to throw deep despite scheme & stats, or imply that we know who he is as if he was a 10yr vet and rather than his third full year as a starter after a devastating injury I just assume that they are willfully ignorant at this this point.

It takes a special kind of stupid to be butthurt about a team friendly deal on a high character, high IQ QB that will be a pro's pro in bringing along any young talent that gets brought in.

Mad about Teddy because of what happened to Cam? Keep that energy for the Bears and all of the other teams that passed on him or shut the entire fug up pls. ♡

I guess some fans would just like to play for more than mediocrity and participation trophies. Teddy isn't good enough to allow a team to compete for a Super bowl and that should be the goal. It's nothing against Teddy. He seems like a great guy and I hope he does a great job of mentoring our future franchise QB, whoever that may be.

[Varking]

26 minutes ago, Jeremy Igo said:

Yes, the numbers are lying. My preconceived notions are the truth. 

I trust numbers for the most part. The issue is despite Teddy putting up yards he doesn’t put up points. Even when we are gifted turnovers. He did the same thing in Minnesota. He’s about to be a 28 year old QB who has never scored more than 15 TDs in a season. On top of that his calling card is he doesn’t hurt you. He’s not supposed to turn the ball over. But he has two total touchdowns (lowest in the NFL of any starter) and two interceptions and a fumble lost. More turnovers than scores. That’s not good by any QB standard. He is on pace for like 11 scores for an entire season. That is not good by any standard. Luckily, it’s only been three games and the sample size isn’t there for us to definitively say he’s a great deep ball passer or he can’t score this year. He has time to turn it around but the trends are concerning. 

[Moo Daeng]

When the narrative you are pushing runs into a dead end keep changing the topic. 

[Varking]

12 minutes ago, Moo Daeng said:

When the narrative you are pushing runs into a dead end keep changing the topic. 

Quote the people this is to. I don’t believe I ever wrote Teddy was incapable of completing deep passes. 

[*FreeFua*]

1 hour ago, Varking said:

I trust numbers for the most part. The issue is despite Teddy putting up yards he doesn’t put up points. Even when we are gifted turnovers. He did the same thing in Minnesota. He’s about to be a 28 year old QB who has never scored more than 15 TDs in a season. On top of that his calling card is he doesn’t hurt you. He’s not supposed to turn the ball over. But he has two total touchdowns (lowest in the NFL of any starter) and two interceptions and a fumble lost. More turnovers than scores. That’s not good by any QB standard. He is on pace for like 11 scores for an entire season. That is not good by any standard. Luckily, it’s only been three games and the sample size isn’t there for us to definitively say he’s a great deep ball passer or he can’t score this year. He has time to turn it around but the trends are concerning. 

You use his age as if he’s been a starting QB since entering the league... smh. This is essentially his 3rd year as a starter. 

For someone who claims to trust numbers you sure like to move the goal posts when presented with numbers.

In 2014 Minnesota ranked 22nd in pass attempts per game. Teddy had 25 passing attempts in the red zone, he had a 72% completion percentage in the red zone which led the league. For comparison in Teddy’s 5.5 games with the Saints last season he had 25 red zone attempts (7 touchdowns). Teddy was tied for 4th in the league with a 64% red zone completion percentage. 

In 2015 Minnesota’s OL made ours look good. Minnesota led the league in seven step drop backs. Recipe for disaster. Minnesota ranked 32nd in pass attempts per game that year. Teddy ranked near the bottom with only 42 red zone passing attempts. Peterson led the league in rushing in 2015 FYI.

Prior to this season Teddy has a 25:2 TD/INT ratio in the red zone. 

His lack of touchdowns in Minnesota his first 2 season was due to scheme and play calling. We saw it happen again on Sunday. 

At some point Brady needs to trust Bridgewater down in the red zone more and let him chuck it. The route concepts on that last play before the 1st half were brutal. Only 2 routes finished in the endzone and neither were open. 

[PanthersGTI]

LOL so now we are going to redefine what a deep pass is to fit narratives?

 

[Varking]

21 minutes ago, *FreeFua* said:

You use his age as if he’s been a starting QB since entering the league... smh. This is essentially his 3rd year as a starter. 

For someone who claims to trust numbers you sure like to move the goal posts when presented with numbers.

In 2014 Minnesota ranked 22nd in pass attempts per game. Teddy had 25 passing attempts in the red zone, he had a 72% completion percentage in the red zone which led the league. For comparison in Teddy’s 5.5 games with the Saints last season he had 25 red zone attempts (7 touchdowns). Teddy was tied for 4th in the league with a 64% red zone completion percentage. 

In 2015 Minnesota’s OL made ours look good. Minnesota led the league in seven step drop backs. Recipe for disaster. Minnesota ranked 32nd in pass attempts per game that year. Teddy ranked near the bottom with only 42 red zone passing attempts. Peterson led the league in rushing in 2015 FYI.

Prior to this season Teddy has a 25:2 TD/INT ratio in the red zone. 

His lack of touchdowns in Minnesota his first 2 season was due to scheme and play calling. We saw it happen again on Sunday. 

At some point Brady needs to trust Bridgewater down in the red zone more and let him chuck it. The route concepts on that last play before the 1st half were brutal. Only 2 routes finished in the endzone and neither were open. 

Where did I question his accuracy? I could write smh and lol and other things after each statement I make but it does this place no good. I said Teddy doesn’t score touchdowns at an acceptable rate. He’s last in the NFL at it right now. No QB has been worse at scoring this year than Teddy amongst the guys who have started 2-3 games. I didn’t say he couldn’t complete passes. Accuracy and a lack of turnovers are what he is supposed to do well. He’s been accurate but he has turned the ball over and he isn’t scoring. 

[KSpan]

6 minutes ago, PanthersGTI said:

LOL so now we are going to redefine what a deep pass is to fit narratives?

 

I don't think anyone is questioning that Teddy, or any NFL QB, can throw the ball 20-30 yards through the air, and if they are they're delusional. For me and I believe for most who maintain that Teddy is not a deep passer, it's about the lack of true field-flipping aerial throws that truly capitalize on a speedy receiver getting separation on a fly route or a defensive breakdown and a guy running free 40+ yards downfield. Those types of plays can be game-changing and are a huge advantage to have in the toolkit. So far he's done next to nothing to prove otherwise and defenses know it.

I've certainly never said that the team can't win with Teddy or a QB like him, just that it's much harder with a much thinner margin for error. A good OC can scheme around it like they've been doing in NO for who knows how long and Brady may be a guy who can do the same, but by the time the roster is where it needs to be to consistently support this kind of offense will the team have looked to get a QB who can break the game with those types of plays?

Also, I don't think anyone is saying the team can't win some ballgames and get into the playoffs with this type of offense. It's just that the teams that get to and ultimately win the Super Bowl much more often have a more dynamic QB at the helm. 

[*FreeFua*]

2 minutes ago, Varking said:

Where did I question his accuracy? 

That was your takeaway from that entire post? Classic. 
 

“Teddy doesn’t put up points, he did the same thing in Minnesota”

I give you some stats and numbers that played a large role into why his overall numbers look the way they did because clearly you’re not familiar with his time in Minnesota, and you come back with that? 
 

Yikes.

[Varking]

6 minutes ago, *FreeFua* said:

That was your takeaway from that entire post? Classic. 
 

“Teddy doesn’t put up points, he did the same thing in Minnesota”

I give you some stats and numbers that played a large role into why his overall numbers look the way they did because clearly you’re not familiar with his time in Minnesota, and you come back with that? 
 

Yikes.

He didn’t score a lot. He isn’t scoring a lot here. We have major talent on offensive with DJ Moore and Robbie Anderson. Other quarterbacks deal with issues the same as Teddy but I want my QBs to put the ball in the end zone more. We are arguing about a guy who is last in the NFL in scoring and has a TD to Turnover Ratio right now in the negatives. That’s the true yikes. He’s a good guy and he’s going to be a solid backup plan for somebody. 

[Pantherxtreme]

2 hours ago, Varking said:

I trust numbers for the most part. The issue is despite Teddy putting up yards he doesn’t put up points. Even when we are gifted turnovers. He did the same thing in Minnesota. He’s about to be a 28 year old QB who has never scored more than 15 TDs in a season. On top of that his calling card is he doesn’t hurt you. He’s not supposed to turn the ball over. But he has two total touchdowns (lowest in the NFL of any starter) and two interceptions and a fumble lost. More turnovers than scores. That’s not good by any QB standard. He is on pace for like 11 scores for an entire season. That is not good by any standard. Luckily, it’s only been three games and the sample size isn’t there for us to definitively say he’s a great deep ball passer or he can’t score this year. He has time to turn it around but the trends are concerning. 

Maybe because he had one of the goat running backs in Adrian Peterson to hand the ball to when they were in the red zone. and he only played two full seasons in Minnesota one being his rookie season. 

 

[*FreeFua*]

15 minutes ago, Varking said:

He didn’t score a lot. He isn’t scoring a lot here. We have major talent on offensive with DJ Moore and Robbie Anderson. Other quarterbacks deal with issues the same as Teddy but I want my QBs to put the ball in the end zone more. We are arguing about a guy who is last in the NFL in scoring and has a TD to Turnover Ratio right now in the negatives. That’s the true yikes. He’s a good guy and he’s going to be a solid backup plan for somebody. 

“I trust numbers”...

Unless they don’t fit my narrative. 

 

[Varking]

7 minutes ago, Pantherxtreme said:

Maybe because he had one of the goat running backs in Adrian Peterson to hand the ball to when they were in the red zone. and he only played two full seasons in Minnesota one being his rookie season. 

 

That’s definitely part of it for sure. 

[Varking]

9 minutes ago, *FreeFua* said:

“I trust numbers”...

Unless they don’t fit my narrative. 

 

What numbers am I disagreeing with? Also, next time you quote me, use the whole quote. I said I mostly just trust numbers.