Matt Rhule wants to win

[SaltnPepper]

2 hours ago, Mother Grabber said:

anywhere in the first round is a lot different from the must have #1 overall pick. We get first round pick every year, I think. So, we don't need to waste an entire season and tank for the #1 overall pick to get a good QB. We can build a winning culture and program, and pick up a QB in the 1st round when it suits us.

Let me correct you. Not when it suits us.

When everyone else lets someone slide to us.

So your plan is to wallow around and hope the stars line up.

Versus my way where we control our own destiny?

Wins in a year where you:

A. Can't win the Superbowl 

B. Have a chance to get a Star QB

 

ARE WORTHLESS. 

Because any year you don't win the Superbowl is a bad year anyway.

Get out of your feels.

[nctarheelreincarnated]

2 minutes ago, SaltnPepper said:

Let me correct you. Not when it suits us.

When everyone else lets someone slide to us.

So your plan is to wallow around and hope the stars line up.

Versus my way where we control our own destiny?

Wins in a year where you:

A. Can't win the Superbowl 

B. Have a chance to get a Star QB

 

ARE WORTHLESS. 

Because any year you don't win the Superbowl is a bad year anyway.

Get out of your feels.

This is an odd, odd, place man. Had a guy legit tell me on here to root for another team, because I wanted us to succeed constantly, when he was okay if we sucked. Which was one of the dumbest things I've read in a while. Got a bunch of weirdos on here. 

Now, we have dudes on here that would rather win games this year, not make the Playoffs because you can very well guarantee this isn't a Playoff team. Have a middling Draft pick, and not pick up a Franchise QB in a year where there are 3 Franchise QB's, maybe more depending how the CFB season plays out. It's just mind numbing, really. Absolutely mind numbing. 

[raz]

2 minutes ago, SaltnPepper said:

Let me correct you. Not when it suits us.

When everyone else lets someone slide to us.

So your plan is to wallow around and hope the stars line up.

Versus my way where we control our own destiny?

Wins in a year where you:

A. Can't win the Superbowl 

B. Have a chance to get a Star QB

 

ARE WORTHLESS. 

Because any year you don't win the Superbowl is a bad year anyway.

Get out of your feels.

everything is so utterly wrong, and really kinda stupid, its hard to know where to start correcting you.

[SaltnPepper]

Dammit my break is over.

I'll be back at lunch 

[SaltnPepper]

5 minutes ago, raz said:

everything is so utterly wrong, and really kinda stupid, its hard to know where to start correcting you.

I would love to hear it.

[SaltnPepper]

3 hours ago, Tbe said:

Every year, one or more QB’s are picked in the top 5. Do you realize how many of those never make it. The vast majority don’t because they go to bad teams who don’t know how to win. 
 

I want a top QB as much as everyone else but I’ve realized that pursuit is stupid if we foster a losing culture trying to get that #1 pick. 
 

Winning cultures attract good players (free agency). Losing teams attract losers who just want to get paid. That’s a big reason why some teams always seem to be contenders. They have their pick of the FA market.
 

See the Browns. All the draft picks in the world can’t fix that mess.

 

Or maybe those QBs were overvalued. 

 

[Basbear]

On 9/30/2020 at 3:29 PM, Icege said:

To be honest, I'm a little concerned with any player that we draft in the postseason. COVID-19 created a very different landscape where some guys lost opportunities to get reps to get better or put out a better product for the scouts.

I don't understand this idea that we have to get a QB right now when we have one that is going to start next season, and possibly the following if we get a QB then that would benefit from sitting. There are PLENTY of other places that we need to worry about improving:

• OT - Moton & Okung are both not under contract for next season. Neither is Trent Scott. That leaves the team with Little & Daley. Even if the team retains Moton, there is still a clear need at OT unless one of those two other players steps up. Penei Sewell out of Oregon could be a huge boost to any QB that the team has calling the plays.
• OG - Miller, Schofield, and Reed are all on 1yr deals. That leaves our interior options the aforementioned Little & Daley.
• C - Larsen's contract expires this season and is a back-up at best. Paradis has one year left after this season, or the team can cut him afterwards to save $8.5M and carry over $3.6M in dead cap the season after. Creed Humphrey out of Oklahoma could be an option if the Panthers play themselves out of the top 10.
• WR - Seems crazy, right? It isn't. While the team will still have DJ and Robby, the following are set to be free agents: Curtis, Zylstra, Roberts, Cooper, and Kirkwood. Basically two-thirds of our WRs. Kirkwood & Zylstra are set to be RFAs, but we will still need restock the cupboards there if we are going to be running 3 WR sets.
• TE - Ian Thomas is the only TE under contract next season, even if we include Armah.
• MLB - Tahir Whitehead on a 1yr deal. Micah Parsons can be had in the top 5 - 10.
• CB - Rasul Douglas, Eli Apple, and Corn Elder are not under contract for next season. While Corn hasn't exactly given a reason to be kept on board and we haven't gotten to see what Apple can do in a Panthers uniform, it's fairly clear (to me at least) that we need to find a way to keep Rasul Douglas. Donte's final year of his rookie deal is the following season as well, so unless Troy Pride Jr & Stanley Oliver-Thomas III somehow level up to be the future I don't think the team can rest when it comes to the CB group.
• ST - Slye is on a 1yr deal, Jansen's contract is done after this season, and as mentioned in the WR section Cooper is set to walk as well. Special teams is going to need some love.

Good post.

This is why Im on a one man mission form god- Draft Sewell over the 3-4 QBs. To me, putting a early first QB behind a total new OL is not the right move and will end up setting us back 5 years. At least get the OL stable, Sewell will help with that. Besides another deal Im alone in is "LT is harder to find than QB". 

Rhule is going to need 3 full years to "fix" this team. Looking at the roster, about 15-22 players are needed for next year(OL, LBs, CBs and depth). If you keep and "hit"(unlikely) on all 7 draft picks, then the number is 8-14. I already looked at the 2021 free agent class and its terrible(over-the-cap allows you to put in all spots needed), the wavier list should be better. Rhule must built this mainly form draft picks and that will take at least 3 years if not more. 

[Shotgun]

14 hours ago, Mother Grabber said:

A post from a couple of weeks ago in a thread about the same topic. Seems that its still relevant...

Here's the list of every QB to play in the last 20 Superbowls, and their draft position.

Patrick Mahomes #10
Jimmy Garoppolo #62
Jared Goff #1
Tom Brady #199
Nick Foles #88
Matt Ryan #3
Peyton Manning #1
Cam Newton #1
Russell Wilson #75
Joe Flacco #18
Colin Kaepernick #36
Eli Manning #1
Aaron Rodgers #24
Ben Roethlisberger #11
Drew Brees #33
Kurt Warner Undrafted
Rex Grossman #22
Matt Hasselbeck #187
Donovan McNabb #2
Jake Delhomme Undrafted
Brad Johnson #227
Rich Gannon #98
Tony Banks #42
Kerry Collins #5

As you can see, Tom Brady being a late round pick is not a unique occurrence. In fact, you have an equal chance to see a single-digit pick as you do a bottom 100.

We have 4 #1 picks, 1 #2, 1 #3, and 1#5, for a total of 7 QBs picked in the top 5 to make the last 20 Superbowls, and only 4 more total picked in the rest of the 1st round. On the other side we have 7 players close to pick 100 or higher, with an additional 5 picked outside of the 1st. So, the NEED for a QB in the top of the first is fool's gold. Based on numbers, it's 50-50 as to if your QB is anywhere in the first round vs the rest of the draft, much less the top 5.

The point of this is that you don't need to jump on any one QB, or waste an entire season to get the guy at #1 next year. There's always a new crop of QBs every year, and one will be at our 1st round spot in the next year or two, wherever that may be.

Looks like the #1 is more likely to get to the super bowl than any other pick by a longshot (4 times as likely).  

[nctarheelreincarnated]

39 minutes ago, Shotgun said:

Looks like the #1 is more likely to get to the super bowl than any other pick by a longshot (4 times as likely).  

Yep. They ignore that though. 

[Mother Grabber]

2 hours ago, Shotgun said:

Looks like the #1 is more likely to get to the super bowl than any other pick by a longshot (4 times as likely).  

we all expect the #1 overall pick to be betterer, no one is going to argue that. the point of this is to see that a QB at the #1 overall pick isn’t required to make a super bowl. In fact, only half are anywhere in the entire first round.

No one will ever argue that having Lawrence on our team will be great. what we’re saying is that we don’t need him. we can win a super bowl without him. we can build the team we want, have a culture based around winning, and not waste this year.

[SizzleBuzz]

16 hours ago, Jeremy Igo said:

1st Round = 8

Panthers have one on the roster right now.

[SizzleBuzz]

17 hours ago, top dawg said:

...especially after he took the route of believing in himself and transferring to show his wares---all the signs were there that he'd be a great QB.

Sure, there's a certain amount of hindsight here, but really the signs pointed to him being a success! And that's exactly what he is.

There was no "believing in himself" related to the transfer...the dumba** coach at State ran him off -- and it cost him his job (as well as pretty much erasing a terrific long-term track record in the minds of fans, they ony remember him for running off Russ). 

 

Agreed on your last statement, good onya.

[Shotgun]

8 hours ago, Mother Grabber said:

we all expect the #1 overall pick to be betterer, no one is going to argue that. the point of this is to see that a QB at the #1 overall pick isn’t required to make a super bowl. In fact, only half are anywhere in the entire first round.

No one will ever argue that having Lawrence on our team will be great. what we’re saying is that we don’t need him. we can win a super bowl without him. we can build the team we want, have a culture based around winning, and not waste this year.

Im glad you made that list, I will use it in the future.

[Mother Grabber]

46 minutes ago, Shotgun said:

Im glad you made that list, I will use it in the future.

have at it. it’s just data. do whatever you want to with it.