Do we still hate dontae Jackson or nah?

[Waldo]

Picked on a rookie QB making his 1st start last week, good job but he is at allowed completion percentage of 61.5% for the year. Still not worth a new contract and still not a good football player. He has improved his yards allowed from 17 to 9.9 so that's better but not great. Meh, good enough for this year. Unless he makes some big strides in play it's a position we can keep trying to upgrade in the offseason. 

Honestly his small play in the run game really underwhelms me the most. More interceptions would be a nice offset but still not a good long term solution. If we want to build a legit D, then having Jackson play CB doesn't project well to that goal.

[Moo Daeng]

he might be an average CB but he's not below average. You could argue he's a below average starter, maybe. But he's not a below average football player or he wouldn't be in the NFL making plays at all.

[Peon Awesome]

3 hours ago, Waldo said:

Picked on a rookie QB making his 1st start last week, good job but he is at allowed completion percentage of 61.5% for the year. Still not worth a new contract and still not a good football player.

 

Is that supposed to be bad? If our whole team allowed that, we would have the 5th best mark in the NFL. He may not be an elite shutdown corner at this point but that's not the question and you haven't exactly used those stats to prove he's "not a good football player". I'd say he's starting to show he can be an effective starting cb if he continues to show the strides he has lately and can stay healthy.

[Waldo]

2 hours ago, Peon Awesome said:

Is that supposed to be bad? If our whole team allowed that, we would have the 5th best mark in the NFL. He may not be an elite shutdown corner at this point but that's not the question and you haven't exactly used those stats to prove he's "not a good football player". I'd say he's starting to show he can be an effective starting cb if he continues to show the strides he has lately and can stay healthy.

Look it's early and in a new D but the facts suggest otherwise. Link

 

					Games		Pass Coverage												Pass Rush					Tackles
Year	Age	Tm	Pos	No.	G	GS	Int	Tgt	Cmp	Cmp%	Yds	Yds/Cmp	Yds/Tgt	TD	Rat	DADOT	Air	YAC	Bltz	Hrry	QBKD	Sk	Prss	Comb	MTkl	MTkl%
2018	23	CAR	RCB	26	16	16	4	78	46	59.0%	789	17.2	10.1	6	97.6	12.7	540	249	3	0	0	1.0	1	74	15	16.9%
2019	24	CAR	LCB	26	13	10	3	59	36	61.0%	612	17.0	10.4	5	103.2	16.0	435	177	1	0	0	0.0	0	40	12	23.1%
2020	25	CAR	cb	26	3	3	2	13	8	61.5%	79	9.9	6.1	1	64.7	9.4	40	39	0	0	0	0.0	0	4	4	50.0%

 

 

That completion % is a career high. That is not improving. There is improvement in his numbers but unfortunately if you look at his tackles they are down and his missed tackle % is alarmingly high. He is still a high risk or reward guy. IF he can start tackling then we can start talking strides. Also if you look his DADOT (Average depth of target) correlates with him giving up less yards per comp so it still looks pretty on average. 

This also raises the question if the changes are Donte ,the new D or a likely combo? I don't know but I am sure we will see as the sample size grows. The fact is that we signed a guy off the heap who it now rated as a top 10 CB in this D, Jackson is still the guy getting picked on and I would run all day at him if I was calling a D against him. It's his to prove but he still is not a good CB yet. 

[Pantherzack179812]

Let's roast Donte Jackson in a season with no preseason, limited camp, and a 100% new staff. God I love the huddle's positivity. 

This place is going to explode if we win Sunday.

[Car123]

17 hours ago, Waldo said:

Look it's early and in a new D but the facts suggest otherwise. Link

 

					Games		Pass Coverage												Pass Rush					Tackles
Year	Age	Tm	Pos	No.	G	GS	Int	Tgt	Cmp	Cmp%	Yds	Yds/Cmp	Yds/Tgt	TD	Rat	DADOT	Air	YAC	Bltz	Hrry	QBKD	Sk	Prss	Comb	MTkl	MTkl%
2018	23	CAR	RCB	26	16	16	4	78	46	59.0%	789	17.2	10.1	6	97.6	12.7	540	249	3	0	0	1.0	1	74	15	16.9%
2019	24	CAR	LCB	26	13	10	3	59	36	61.0%	612	17.0	10.4	5	103.2	16.0	435	177	1	0	0	0.0	0	40	12	23.1%
2020	25	CAR	cb	26	3	3	2	13	8	61.5%	79	9.9	6.1	1	64.7	9.4	40	39	0	0	0	0.0	0	4	4	50.0%

 

 

That completion % is a career high. That is not improving. There is improvement in his numbers but unfortunately if you look at his tackles they are down and his missed tackle % is alarmingly high. He is still a high risk or reward guy. IF he can start tackling then we can start talking strides. Also if you look his DADOT (Average depth of target) correlates with him giving up less yards per comp so it still looks pretty on average. 

This also raises the question if the changes are Donte ,the new D or a likely combo? I don't know but I am sure we will see as the sample size grows. The fact is that we signed a guy off the heap who it now rated as a top 10 CB in this D, Jackson is still the guy getting picked on and I would run all day at him if I was calling a D against him. It's his to prove but he still is not a good CB yet. 

Quarterback rating is a better indicator of improvement. I’d rather give up three 3 yard completions than 2 incompletions and a 20 yarder.

[Waldo]

3 hours ago, Car123 said:

Quarterback rating is a better indicator of improvement. I’d rather give up three 3 yard completions than 2 incompletions and a 20 yarder.

Read the last paragraph. It covers all of that and I'm not certain about a sample size of below 3, he missed the majority of game one after he hurt himself avoiding the tackle that gave up a TD. go to 1:45