CMC vs Davis illustrated

[Moo Daeng]

On 9/29/2020 at 11:35 AM, Jon Snow said:

Supposedly that's why Manhurtz keeps starting.  Although I think he sucks at the too but what do I know.

I see this a lot but everyone who does analysis in any organized way says he's quite good.

[bigdog10]

On 9/29/2020 at 8:46 AM, Jeremy Igo said:

Here is a good example of what Mike Davis offers vs what Christian McCaffrey offers as a running back. 

 

1st and 10 on the Chargers 19. 

If CMC was in at tailback here, it is a touchdown. That is a huge hole to run through leaving only a single safety to shake between him and the end zone. 

So enough with the "trade CMC" talk. It is embarrassing. 

Imagine this play being ran with CMC in the slot coming in motion where Teddy either gives him the ball on the jet sweep or hands it to Davis. 
 

This offense is going to be a major problem for defenses. 
 

 

[MHS831]

Reed has been playing well---watch 64.  good technique, he blocks down--chips to help Paradis get an angle-and Paradis still does not get his hips around to seal---but then Reed releases to meet a DB yards off the LOL.  It is hard to watch OL from the side, but when I have watched Reed, he is getting the job done.  Not a star, but not a liability.  Paradis is a liability.  Even with help, he loses his feet and loses the advantage the chip gives him.  Little things make big differences. 

I am guessing that Davis stalls and sidesteps waiting to see if Paradis would control his block.  He considers cutting back inside, but it is filled, so he runs into the hole that Paradis is allowing his man to fill. 

[AU-panther]

On 9/29/2020 at 7:46 AM, Jeremy Igo said:

Here is a good example of what Mike Davis offers vs what Christian McCaffrey offers as a running back. 

 

1st and 10 on the Chargers 19. 

If CMC was in at tailback here, it is a touchdown. That is a huge hole to run through leaving only a single safety to shake between him and the end zone. 

So enough with the "trade CMC" talk. It is embarrassing. 

 

On 9/29/2020 at 11:16 AM, Mr. Scot said:

There's a hole visible right as the video pauses.

McCaffrey would have shot through that for a big gain and quite possibly a touchdown.

If CMC is so much better why is his YPC less this year?  For that to be the case then maybe Davis is better on other runs?

I think CMC is a great player, and I'm not saying Davis is anywhere close to the same, but people need to learn that there is a reason why RBs are devalued so much in the league.

Its not that running backs aren't important (that's a different argument) its the fact that their production is fairly easy to replace.  If you equal out the number of carry's they receive there isn't a huge difference in their production over time.

For example, CMC had a great year last year, he averaged 4.8 ypc which was 10th in the league, the 20th place guy was at 4.5 ypc.  If that guy got the same amount of carries as CMC he would have finished the year with roughly 92 less yards, or about 6 yards a game.  

6 yards, that's probably less than one more reception out of a WR, less than a holding call on a guard, less than a sack given up by a OT.

Now CMC is heavily involved in the passing game, and that definitely changes how he is valued, but when looking strictly at running there really isn't much of a difference among a lot of RBs.

 

 

 

 

[SmittysLawnGuy]

1 hour ago, TrevorLaurenceTime22 said:

Lol lol eeesh what is wrong with the people here lately thinking madden is real life.

Don"t hate him bro. He called Aaron Rodger's barely a game manager these days.

[SmittysLawnGuy]

Wait that was you.

[Mr. Scot]

13 hours ago, AU-panther said:

If CMC is so much better why is his YPC less this year?  For that to be the case then maybe Davis is better on other runs?

I think CMC is a great player, and I'm not saying Davis is anywhere close to the same, but people need to learn that there is a reason why RBs are devalued so much in the league.

Its not that running backs aren't important (that's a different argument) its the fact that their production is fairly easy to replace.  If you equal out the number of carry's they receive there isn't a huge difference in their production over time.

For example, CMC had a great year last year, he averaged 4.8 ypc which was 10th in the league, the 20th place guy was at 4.5 ypc.  If that guy got the same amount of carries as CMC he would have finished the year with roughly 92 less yards, or about 6 yards a game.  

6 yards, that's probably less than one more reception out of a WR, less than a holding call on a guard, less than a sack given up by a OT.

Now CMC is heavily involved in the passing game, and that definitely changes how he is valued, but when looking strictly at running there really isn't much of a difference among a lot of RBs.

Again, this is why I don't go by stats. There's a load of variables, and extrapolation almost never pans out for that reason.

Matt Stafford is always statistically one of the best quarterbacks in the league, but if you watch him, it tells a different story.

[Ricky Spanish]

13 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Again, this is why I don't go by stats. There's a load of variables, and extrapolation almost never pans out for that reason.

Matt Stafford is always statistically one of the best quarterbacks in the league, but if you watch him, it tells a different story.

You're right, he's not one of the best, he's THE best QB in the league.

[Call Me James]

I love to see how happy y'all are to poo on our own players when it fits your narrative. 

 

 

[PantherPhann89]

On 9/29/2020 at 8:53 AM, Harbingers said:

Davis has his role, he's just... slow. I'd be 90% sure that bonnafon would have made it to the endzone on that play.

That's possible, but let's not overlook the fact that Davis role plays a major factor in  our Ball control offense. 

[AU-panther]

10 hours ago, Mr. Scot said:

Again, this is why I don't go by stats. There's a load of variables, and extrapolation almost never pans out for that reason.

Matt Stafford is always statistically one of the best quarterbacks in the league, but if you watch him, it tells a different story.

Lets don't let stats/facts get in the way of opinions.

You can't look at one play and assume CMC would automatically go for 20 more yards.  If that is true on that one play then it would probably be true on half a dozen other plays but it doesn't happen.  If that did happen his YPC would be twice as much, actually his YPC is less this year.

Think about that, his YPC are less this year but you are going to assume on certain runs that CMC would get 20 yards but Davis only 2?

Maybe CMC does take that one to the house, maybe on a different run Davis does better, my point is over time the difference between the 2 of them isn't' near as great as fans think from a pure running perspective.

 

 

 

[MechaZain]

If Davis was the running back for those botched 4th and shorts we would have converted them.

 

[Wolfcop]

Look, if Davis can run al over a good defense like Chicago we can talk. The defenses we've beaten lately aren't anything to write home about. We will need CMC as soon as possible. For now, let's just be happy that we have 1 great RB and one good one on the roster. 

[TrevorLaurenceTime22]

2 hours ago, MechaZain said:

If Davis was the running back for those botched 4th and shorts we would have converted them.

 

Probably it's utilizing your players strength CMC will never be a grinding power back.