The old guard (Rivera, Gettleman) seem to have pissed off their fanbases

[GoobyPls]

Giants fans are at their wits end with DG 

https://www.nj.com/giants/2020/09/blame-dave-gettleman-the-giants-still-have-one-of-the-nfls-worst-rosters-and-thats-on-him-politi.html

 

And Rivera seems to be up to his old late game hijinks 

 

 

[hepcat]

The only former Panthers coach worth a poo was Sean McDermott. Evidenced by how badly the defense declined every season after he left. The game has passed dinosaurs like Ron Rivera and Dave Gettleman by and they should prepare for retirement.

[Paa Langfart]

You posted a story link that you have to pay for to read.  perhaps you could summarize?  

[GoobyPls]

4 minutes ago, Paa Langfart said:

You posted a story link that you have to pay for to read.  perhaps you could summarize?  

Was free for me

 

The Giants didn’t belong on the same field with San Francisco’s junior varsity team. If that doesn’t say it all about Dave Gettleman’s failed reign as general manager, well, I’m not sure what does.

The visiting 49ers were without so many big-name players, they were practically recruiting subs from East Rutherford High. They didn’t have their starting quarterback, their top two running backs, their No. 1 wide receiver and their two best tight ends.

 

They still played the entire game without punting even once.

 

That’s just what this depleted team did against the Giants on offense. The San Francisco defense didn’t have its superstar pass rusher, two other top-level defensive linemen, one of its starting linebackers and two important cogs in their secondary.

 

They still held the Giants without a single play in the red zone.

 

Zero punts.

 

Zero red-zone plays.

 

That’s borderline impossible with a healthy team, but that’s what the 49ers did without about a dozen of their best players. I would say this was a new low for the Giants, but the franchise is so deep in a hole right now that it’s hard to measure its current depth.

 

The final score: 49ers 36, Giants 9.

 

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It wasn’t that close, and no, I’m not talking just about the ugly result. I’m talking about the rosters of these two teams. This felt like the second half of an Ohio State-Rutgers game with the starters hanging out on the sideline as the backups put the finishing touches on the blowout. That kind of stuff happens in college football all the time.

 

It is not supposed to happen in the NFL, and that’s on the man who built this team. Gettleman should have been the one answering questions after this loss, because the Giants' failures in dropping to 0-3 can’t be fixed with coaching adjustments or, as defensive tackle Leonard Williams actually said, “cleaning up the small details.”

 

The problem is a pretty big detail, Leonard: Not enough good players!

 

“Closest we’ve ever been,” Gettleman said before the season when asked to assess the overall talent on his third team as general manager. A follow-up question after watching the likes of Nick Mullens, Kendrick Bourne and Ross Dwelley zip along for career days would now be this: Closest to what?

 

The top of the NFL Draft?

 

The team’s first 0-16 season?

 

I don’t think it’ll get quite that bad, not with the NFC East clearly the league’s worst division. The Giants, after all, still probably aren’t the worst team that calls their stadium home -- if Gov. Phil Murphy tried to lift the restrictions on spectators at games, the response from both the Giants and Jets fan bases would be a resounding, “haven’t we suffered enough?”

 

But it’s hard to envision this Giants group, as assembled, even matching last year’s 4-12 finish that ended with the team firing Pat Shurmur as head coach and hiring Joe Judge as his replacement. Judge is smart guy, so for all this talk of building a culture, he has to know he’s going to look like a lousy coach on most days thanks to Gettleman’s roster.

 

“We have players. We have players,” Judge said when asked about the lack of depth on his rosters. “All right, obviously we don’t want any of our players injured. But we have players in a position right now on our roster, on our team, that were on that field today that can help us win games. So, we got to make sure that everyone coaches better, we have to raise our level of play, and we got to take advantage of opportunities and not make mistakes that put us behind.”

 

Judge is already playing the coaches-need-to-coach-better card, much like Shurmur did through his two lousy seasons. What else can he say? Judge has to know that, even without running back Saquon Barkley and wide receiver Sterling Shepard, the Giants were in a better shape, health wise, than the team they faced this week.

 

He must have seen how the 49ers backups stepped into more prominent roles and steamrolled many of his starters. That’s how good teams operate in the NFL.

 

I thought Gettleman did a decent job this offseason, and to be fair, some of his more prominent moves look good. He signed linebacker Blake Martinez and cornerback James Bradberry to bolster his defense, and so far, both players have looked like they are worth the investment.

 

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But, given that injuries are the only certainty in an NFL season, teams depend on roster depth. The Giants employee backups in starting positions, and remember, even Gettleman’s two highest-profile decisions are major question marks now.

 

Saquon Barkley is undeniably one of the best running backs in the league ... when he’s healthy. He wasn’t healthy for much of last season and will miss all of 2020 with a torn ACL, a reminder that it’s a terrible idea to take a running back with the No. 2 overall pick.

 

Daniel Jones might develop into a good starter despite the hit-or-miss start to his career. But ask yourself this: How many teams would trade their current quarterback situation for him? I can’t think of a more than a handful given what we see each week from the likes of Kyler Murray, Patrick Mahomes, Josh Allen, and the rest of this generation of dynamic young passers.

 

Giants co-owner John Mara said he would be “very disappointed” if his team wasn’t competing for the NFC East title. How must he have felt watching his Giants get blown off the field by the 49ers JV team. That’s on the man who built this roster. That’s on Gettleman.

 

[Castavar]

Washington fans already losing faith in Ron

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It's inexcusable. I understand not making roster moves this season to prepare for the future, but to actually not call timeouts because you're fine with losing. That's just absolutely inexcusable and something I've never seen done before. My hope for Rivera is extremely low now. 

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I know its already being discussed in the GDT, but this is pathetic. Two straight games where we are down by two possessions with the other team getting the ball with roughly 6.5 minutes left and Ron shows absolutely no interest in stopping the clock to try and get the ball back to his offense with as much time as possible. I thought the object was to win.  He did decent things in Carolina, but I'm starting to wonder if I've seen enough of this garbage attitude.

 

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Winning cultures don't save timeouts. If we have to wait for Ron to have a defense like he had in Carolina and an MVP winning qb like Cam in order to win, we might be waiting for a while. I thought he'd be the one to start a winning culture now... didn't think he'd be the type to concede games and save timeouts. But, like every coach we've had the last 30 years, I'll continue to have a dumb man's blind faith that this time will be different. 

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I understand that Ron was trying to save Haskins from himself today.  That the odds of a comeback victory were Incredibly slim and not worth risking having Haskins turn it over again and make a bad situation worse.

However, what kind of message does it send to the other 52 guys?  That we aren’t even going to attempt to win because our QB is terrible and too fragile to deal with another pick.

Obviously Ron has a better gauge on his team than any of us, but I can’t really find any silver linings to the strategy.

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I was never that excited about the Rivera hire and didn’t get all the hype about it. His last two years in Carolina were losing seasons. His last game there was an awful loss to us. He only had three winning seasons and six losing seasons there. If you take out his 15-1 season he was a game below .500 there. Keep in mind of other coaches who have coached in Super Bowls who aren’t worth much. Ex: Bill Callahan. Rivera doesn’t have the credentials to deserve the benefit of the doubt from the “noise”

aka us the fans. Unfortunately we are stuck with a loser mentality coach for at least the next five years before we start over again. 

 

[Jeremy Igo]

LMAO at Washington fans pulling their hair out over Rivera's time management. 

[Moo Daeng]

Interesting that they are criticizing Ron for looking like he might be tanking and we criticized him for not tanking. Tells you something about the tanking loser crowd.

[mav1234]

I want Ron to succeed but he has a mountain to climb in WAS.

[07579394]

I know McDermott is good.

What about Steve Wilks?

[Moo Daeng]

But Gettleman is just bad.

[Icege]

Ron Rivera's inability to manage the game clock while building his entire game plan around it is a level of self sabotage that I just cannot understand.

[CPF4LIFE]

Well raise your hand if you saw this coming. Lol

[rico6]

Cam and Luke MADE Ron. Gettleman always been next level trash. It’s why this team has such a high mountain to climb in the talent department.

[Davidson Deac II]

I watched the Washington game yesterday.  Rivera's clock management wasn't bad.  His qb on the other hand, was.  Haskins looked rough.