For the Tank for Trevor/Justin/Lance Crowd

[bigdog10]

If we win six games this year, Rhule should get some consideration for coach of the year. This is one of the top three lease talented rosters in the nfl. 
 

I have is splitting with Atlanta, beating Detroit and beating Denver. 
 

4-12 and a top five pick behind the Jets, Giants, and potentially Bengals. 
 

regardless, the NY teams being so bad is going to require us to give up a future first to go get our QB. May as well go ahead and make peace with that fact. 

[Move the Panthers to Raleigh]

9 hours ago, TLGPanthersFan said:

If we get stuck with Teddy Bridgewater we deserve it.

Sigh. Imagine where we could be in the draft hunt with Grier at QB. We totally fuged that up though. 

[nctarheelreincarnated]

1 minute ago, bigdog10 said:

If we win six games this year, Rhule should get some consideration for coach of the year. This is one of the top three lease talented rosters in the nfl. 
 

I have is splitting with Atlanta, beating Detroit and beating Denver. 
 

4-12 and a top five pick behind the Jets, Giants, and potentially Bengals. 
 

regardless, the NY teams being so bad is going to require us to give up a future first to go get our QB. May as well go ahead and make peace with that fact. 

My question is, what has Detroit shown that makes us so confident in Carolina beating them? They should've beaten the Bears, they just beat a 2-0 Cardinals team, and their big loss was to one of the best teams in the NFL in the Packers. I don't see that as a win anymore, I see that as a maybe, if that. 

[SaltnPepper]

8 hours ago, GoPanthers123 said:

The tank mentality equals to having no faith in coaching and management to build upon success year after year, which is the actual Carolina plan according to both Tepper and Rhule - the men in charge. 

The tank mentality is the only way we have a chance is to win the draft or tank lottery.  So basically already given up on winning through gradual improvement.

Lol you aren't going to win a Superbowl through gradual improvement. 

 

Where are you going to get a QB after all the pieces are in place? You won't have the money for a free agent. 

Hey Rhule, this isn't college dumbazz. You don't get to recruit a top QB. Winning here and there does nothing to bring in top players.

[saX man]

"Another two years".  Bottom line: Teddy has an entirely reasonable contract and we are by no means stuck with him. 

This is year one of 3 and we're obviously targeting a new rookie at QB so it's not like we're adding on another vet FA QB contract.  And he's only a 5 mil dead cap penalty if we get rid of him in 2022.  This constant "We paid Teddy too much", "We're stuck with him" talk is a block of hyperbole. 

He'll be gone or a backup as the next guy we find rises into the role. 

[SaltnPepper]

8 hours ago, top dawg said:

I hear you. I was all-in on Teddy, until I started seeing some limitations. He really doesn't have a strong arm, especially to be so young. I think it reflects limited strength, ability to escape pressure, and ability to actually put the team on your shoulders and will them to victory (although I think the last two are debatable). I don't have to have a flashy guy, but I would like a dynamic guy, and I think Teddy's dynamism is suspect. That being said, I think he's a good QB, and I will support him. But, I'm not all-in on him. I just can't be after seeing a couple of the guys presumably coming out this year.

It's like these guys couldn't see the speed difference between the QBs yesterday. 

One guy had a paintball gun ( Teddy)

The other had a howitzer (Herbert)

It was night and day.

Hell look at old man Rodgers last night.

[SaltnPepper]

7 hours ago, top dawg said:

I'm not "hung up on Lawrence talk." I don't mind Lawrence talk at all, but I think it's less realistic considering that the Jets really suck. And Minny and Washington and maybe even the Jags' are all in the running possibly. So talk about Lawrence all you like!

Don't get it twisted! My issue is with people who get upset with us winning and even trying to win. My issue is with people saying that we should tank (like pro franchises---players will play to lose)! I don't care for trading a king's ransom in draft capital either, but I don't have an issue with it, even though I don't necessarily agree with it. 

Stop trying to equate discussing college QBs with advocating for tanking! 

On the real, I decided to start a Lance thread because of the Fields thread! So, yeah, I'm pushing back against the notion that Lawrence or Fields is our savior, but Lawrence appears to be even less realistic than the other two after our victory, but that's because our defense showed signs of life, not because Teddy isn't a good QB. We could be 3-0 right now if the defense played like they did today in all three games, and that's despite Teddy's play against the Bucs!

Tanking isn't about purposely losing. 

It's about sitting any hurt players and not shooting them up with meds for meaningless wins.

It's about playing as many young guys as possible and not signing any vets.

You can put a less talented team out there that's young. Run your system and try hard and just lose that way.

[saX man]

The 4th who shall not be mentioned (yet) but Kyle Trask is looking dynamite for the Gators.

And last but not least, no one should sleep on Tanner Morgan.  He's had amazing receivers and a great system in Minny but the kid knows how to win. 

Overall, if we can get Lawrence, I don't think there's a question, you take him.

So that's my list.

1-Lawrence

2A-Fields

2B-Lance

2C-Trask

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Late R1/Beyond:

3A-Ehlinger "Chasing a fool for you, I've got you wrapped around my fingersssss"

3B-Morgan

[MHS831]

7 hours ago, GoobyPls said:

Colts are better than us and unless they get the first pick the jags are staying with Minshew 

two unsupported opinions states as absolute facts. 

[trueblade]

You can get a franchise guy after the top 5 picks. These are the draft positions each of the playoff quarterbacks from last year.

2nd (Wentz), 10th (Mahomes), 24th (Rodgers), 32nd (Jackson), 32nd (Brees), 62nd (Garoppolo), 75th (Wilson), 102nd (Cousins).

I'd love Lawrence, but we can still find a franchise guy even if we don't get him.

 

 

[MHS831]

1 hour ago, nctarheelreincarnated said:

Hey, hey, hey, let’s stop bringing facts to an opinion party alright? Thanks. 

Read his post again.  He cherry-picks and makes opinionated statements.  Unfortunately, people do not understand what losing does to a franchise.  Winning breeds emotional commitment--losing breeds fear of losing a job and obligation.   It does create a culture.  Detroit has had some pretty high draft picks.  Cleveland has had first round gold in the draft.  We got good players picking early in the draft, but the complete roster is how you win.  Injuries, salary cap are more important than first round draft picks.  The best teams have the best contracts from top to bottom.  This is why I am against Marty Hurney---people think the draft is the best measure of his success--look at his second round success rate.  Look at the contracts. 

Secondly, a losing season hurts your ability to attract free agents. 

 

[MHS831]

23 minutes ago, trueblade said:

You can get a franchise guy after the top 5 picks. These are the draft positions each of the playoff quarterbacks from last year.

2nd (Wentz), 10th (Mahomes), 24th (Rodgers), 32nd (Jackson), 32nd (Brees), 62nd (Garoppolo), 75th (Wilson), 102nd (Cousins).

I'd love Lawrence, but we can still find a franchise guy even if we don't get him.

 

 

Great post.  I would argue that the highest draft pick here is perhaps the worst qb on this list.

'This year is a very good QB draft--yes, I think Lawrence and Fields are going to be solid QBs.  I love Lance.  But we need to find a gem that is developing into an elite player--maybe a player with a bad organization/system.  They are out there.  Bridgewater gives us 2 years to develop a good young QB.

Secondly, most people get impatient.  A good QB needs good offensive linemen, good WRs, and a good defense.

Teams that suck often try to draft that miracle player to turn the franchise around and they put him in a situation to fail.  Draft history is full of these "busts."  However, the qbs you post had better situations.

1.  A QB drafted later in the draft has a chance to learn and develop, on average, more than a top 3 draft pick.  

2. A QB drafted later in the draft goes to a better team than a top 3 draft pick.

 

So while your post seems incredibly improbable, it is just the opposite.  The situation is incredibly important. 

[AU-panther]

I just don't see us having a top 2 pick.  To be that bad you need one side of the ball to be terrible, and the other to be average to below average.

I think our offense is going to keep us in some games and if the defense gets a turnover to two and plays well we might win a few more.  Our schedule is really easy.

Personally I think Trevor ends up in New York, I can really see one of those teams getting the top pick.

With the cancelation of his season Lance is probably more likely to fall between him and Fields.  

Best case for us is hoping we can draft Lance in that 4-7 range without trading up.

 

[MHS831]

4 minutes ago, AU-panther said:

I just don't see us having a top 2 pick.  To be that bad you need one side of the ball to be terrible, and the other to be average to below average.

I think our offense is going to keep us in some games and if the defense gets a turnover to two and plays well we might win a few more.  Our schedule is really easy.

Personally I think Trevor ends up in New York, I can really see one of those teams getting the top pick.

With the cancelation of his season Lance is probably more likely to fall between him and Fields.  

Best case for us is hoping we can draft Lance in that 4-7 range without trading up.

 

NY, NY, Jacksonville, Miami, Denver, Philly, Detroit,  Washington---off the top of my head--are 8 teams that could easily finish below Carolina. I think it will be like last year--3 QBs in the top picks (NY Jets, Jacksonville, and Washington for one, and expect Indy to be aggressive).  Lance is a possibility, but we would have to be in the top 5 or so, IMO.