Bump this thread every time Bridgewater doesn't throw it into the endzone

[Jeremy Igo]

Just now, LinvilleGorge said:

I'm not basing that opinion on stats, I'm basing it off of watching that second half of the Pats vs. the Seahawks.

Ah, I am going off stats over 3 games. 

[Moo Daeng]

If you think Teddy's game is short then you don't want to look at the statistical comparison with Newton this year. Don't shoot the messenger, just look a the numbers. Their playing the same game, just Bridgewater is doing it with more efficiency. 

https://nextgenstats.nfl.com/stats/passing#average-completed-yards

[Pantherxtreme]

10 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

You must have missed the second half of the Seahawks game. Teddy is the more consistent short to medium range passer, bit he'll never be able to threaten a defense downfield like Cam. Qualifying your opinion with "as a passer" says it all. It'd be like saying I'll take Derrick Henry over CMC "as a runner". The game allows for more than just one facet.

Yes give me Teddy as a passer it is my opinion, (backed up by the stats so far). Cam still has his mobility but he's older now and more susceptible to injuries, lets not act like he's Lamar Jackson out there. His running ability isn't game changing like it used to be. 

[Jeremy Igo]

4 minutes ago, Moo Daeng said:

If you think Teddy's game is short then you don't want to look at the statistical comparison with Newton this year. Don't shoot the messenger, just look a the numbers. Their playing the same game, just Bridgewater is doing it with more efficiency. 

https://nextgenstats.nfl.com/stats/passing#average-completed-yards

That is what I have been saying. Cam is mainly a dink and dunk passer with the ability to run this year. 

Teddy is a more efficient dink and dunk passer but with less ability to run making CMC even more important. 

 

Neither are upper echelon QBs so far this season. But Teddy is the Panthers QB so I shall support him. 

[LinvilleGorge]

2 minutes ago, Pantherxtreme said:

Yes give me Teddy as a passer it is my opinion, (backed up by the stats so far). Cam still has his mobility but he's older now and more susceptible to injuries, lets not act like he's Lamar Jackson out there. His running ability isn't game changing like it used to be. 

He only has 33 less rushing yards than Jackson so far this season and is tied for the most rushing TDs in the NFL with 4. That's pretty game changing.

[Car123]

5 minutes ago, t96 said:

You should go read the pats board about their thoughts on Cam as a passer... 2nd half of Seahawks game was heavy prevent D. He apparently hasn't looked good at all as a passer in game 1, 3 or the first have of the Seahawks game. 1 good half out of 6 isn't a great start to the season.

Stop it. He had 3 incompletions in game 1. Would have been 2 if Edelman didn’t drop an easy one.
I’ve visited the forum. A lot of the members want Cam extended.

[t96]

6 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

I'm not basing that opinion on stats, I'm basing it off of watching that second half of the Pats vs. the Seahawks. There were several passes completed that Teddy just doesn't have the physical ability to attempt. To his credit, he understands that and he doesn't attempt them but he's definitely physically limited as a passer on an NFL field.

There are passes that Jameis Winston can complete that Tom Brady has never had "the physical ability to attempt." Is Winston better than Brady in his prime?

There's a lot more to the game than being able to hit a few deep balls. We've always known Cam to have a strong arm, clearly the rest last year helped him get some of that strength back for early this year which is great for him. Whether it'll hold up throughout the season is a huge concern. And even if it does, Cam's consistency as a passer is lacking tremendously. A couple deep balls late in a game against a prevent defense doesn't make current Cam a great passer. It was promising, sure, but not some kind of proof that the 2015 Cam is back. He looks nowhere near that level right now.

[LinvilleGorge]

Just now, t96 said:

There are passes that Jameis Winston can complete that Tom Brady has never had "the physical ability to attempt." Is Winston better than Brady in his prime?

There's a lot more to the game than being able to hit a few deep balls. We've always known Cam to have a strong arm, clearly the rest last year helped him get some of that strength back for early this year which is great for him. Whether it'll hold up throughout the season is a huge concern. And even if it does, Cam's consistency as a passer is lacking tremendously. A couple deep balls late in a game against a prevent defense doesn't make current Cam a great passer. It was promising, sure, but not some kind of proof that the 2015 Cam is back. He looks nowhere near that level right now.

I'll never argue that Cam is highly consistent as a passer. He definitely runs hot and cold. Always has likely always will. But, in the second half of that game, he absolutely looked like 2015 Cam and again, completing DEEP passes vs. prevent D is impressive. That's specifically what prevent D is trying to prevent.

[t96]

3 minutes ago, Car123 said:

Stop it. He had 3 incompletions in game 1. Would have been 2 if Edelman didn’t drop an easy one.
I’ve visited the forum. A lot of the members want Cam extended.

155 yards and no touchdowns is not a good game as a passer. He was terrible against the Raiders and if he was better in the first half against Seattle they wouldn't have been down so much and having to play catchup (unsuccessfully).

[Jeremy Igo]

1 minute ago, LinvilleGorge said:

I'll never argue that Cam is highly consistent as a passer. He definitely runs hot and cold. Always has likely always will. But, in the second half of that game, he absolutely looked like 2015 Cam and again, completing DEEP passes vs. prevent D is impressive. That's specifically what prevent D is trying to prevent.

I didn't see it. You have inspired me to look it up. 

[LinvilleGorge]

Just now, Jeremy Igo said:

I didn't see it. You have inspired me to look it up. 

I think you'll be impressed.

[ForJimmy]

2 minutes ago, t96 said:

There are passes that Jameis Winston can complete that Tom Brady has never had "the physical ability to attempt." Is Winston better than Brady in his prime?

There's a lot more to the game than being able to hit a few deep balls. We've always known Cam to have a strong arm, clearly the rest last year helped him get some of that strength back for early this year which is great for him. Whether it'll hold up throughout the season is a huge concern. And even if it does, Cam's consistency as a passer is lacking tremendously. A couple deep balls late in a game against a prevent defense doesn't make current Cam a great passer. It was promising, sure, but not some kind of proof that the 2015 Cam is back. He looks nowhere near that level right now.

I think you hit the nail on the head. Cam’s issue was always inconsistency. He will look great one series or even one game, but make throws the next play or game that you would expect a rookie QB to make. When he is hot he is hard to beat, you just don’t know when it will come or go...

[*FreeFua*]

17 minutes ago, t96 said:

You should go read the pats board about their thoughts on Cam as a passer... 2nd half of Seahawks game was heavy prevent D. He apparently hasn't looked good at all as a passer in game 1, 3 or the first have of the Seahawks game. 1 good half out of 6 isn't a great start to the season.

Apparently? He hasn’t at all.
 

He used that shoulder so much in the second half of the Seattle game he had nothing for Las Vegas the following week. Much like the time we needed to bring Allen in to attempt that Hail Mary for Cam. 
 

When we were running Cam like NE is everyone here would blast Shula and say that we can‘t have him running so much. Now that he’s older, has had more injuries and New England is doing it, apparently it’s perfectly fine... go figure. The days of prime Cam are long gone and NE is using every ounce of energy Cam has left up really quick. Carolina wasn’t winning a SB this year even if they had Mahomes. To prolong the Cam situation with a new staff and other issues would’ve been a terrible idea for the sake of the future of this franchise.

[t96]

3 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

I'll never argue that Cam is highly consistent as a passer. He definitely runs hot and cold. Always has likely always will. But, in the second half of that game, he absolutely looked like 2015 Cam and again, completing DEEP passes vs. prevent D is impressive. That's specifically what prevent D is trying to prevent.

He was highly consistent in 2015. 1 half looking like 2015 Cam out of 6 isn't very good when the other 5 halves have been as bad as they've been. He's still a threat as a runner so that does help, but I think it's pretty clear from his time here that you can't rely on his legs to win you games over the course of a full season. We only ever had success with Cam when he was consistent and efficient as a passer, which he has not even been close to this year.