CMC says there is no need for a rebuilding year.

[kungfoodude]

4 minutes ago, Jon Snow said:

While I am encouraged that they haven't given up in the first 2 games so far it is only 2 games.  It's hard to endure heartbreaking loses without it getting to you no matter how strong you think you are.  Let's see where this teams breaking point ends up being.

It's a very young team with minimal veteran leadership, as well. If the coaching staff is able to keep their morale up, I will be extremely impressed. 

[TheSpecialJuan]

1 hour ago, Jeremy Igo said:

"We have the guys to win. We've put ourselves in position to win two weeks in a row. We've shown that we can win, we just have to do it," McCaffrey said. "You can't beat yourselves and we've got to play good team football. We've shown that we can do that, so there's no need to be a rebuilding year. With some kinks here and there that we have to iron out, I think it's time to start play winning football. We know we can, so like I said, now it's just time to go out there and do it."

 

from SI.

 

I get it. This is the mentality any pro athlete must have if he want to succeed 

nah

[BerryLoMein]

Cite your sources CMC.

[Jacabee]

7 minutes ago, BerryLoMein said:

Cite your sources CMC.

I get the tongue in cheek, but C’mon man. The dude grew up around the nfl, has played football his whole life and now plays at a level higher than those playing at the highest level. He’s also going to battle with these guys daily for the past 3 years. Most of us at best, imbibe a few clickbait articles and a few beers, and then proceed to arm chair manage this billion dollar organization from the top down. In short, CMC’s word is a qualified source. We can debate objectivity, but him stating this alone has value.

[mrcompletely11]

2 minutes ago, Jacabee said:

I get the tongue in cheek, but C’mon man. The dude grew up around the nfl, has played football his whole life and now plays at a level higher than those playing at the highest level. He’s also going to battle with these guys daily for the past 3 years. Most of us at best, imbibe a few clickbait articles and a few beers, and then proceed to arm chair manage this billion dollar organization from the top down. In short, CMC’s word is a qualified source. We can debate objectivity, but him stating this alone has value.

Come on man, I dont have to have a NFL dad to know that is team is the epitome of a rebuild

[Jacabee]

1 minute ago, mrcompletely11 said:

Come on man, I dont have to have a NFL dad to know that is team is the epitome of a rebuild

Quality post per usual. Way to address the arguments put forth then proceed with your standard agenda. 

[Jacabee]

4 minutes ago, mrcompletely11 said:

Come on man, I dont have to have a NFL dad to know that is team is the epitome of a rebuild

Direct question to avoid the snarky bs: Is CMC in a better position than you to evaluate the talent on this team?

[kungfoodude]

7 minutes ago, Jacabee said:

Direct question to avoid the snarky bs: Is CMC in a better position than you to evaluate the talent on this team?

Yes but he is also not a completely objective source. First, he can't exactly go to the media and say, "Well we pretty much suck, so we are doing the best we can." I am sure there is a dose of coachspeak/playerspeak to what he is saying. Second, he's a competitive, professional athlete. You don't lace them up unless you think you can win. 

It is not fantastically difficult to look at the roster and see the rebuild. Hell, why don't you cruise through all those short term contracts that the bulk of the roster are on? Most of them can be cut next year or the year after with minimal penalty(outside of rookie deals). No one is calling the dude a liar. 

[Jacabee]

Just now, kungfoodude said:

Yes but he is also not a completely objective source. First, he can't exactly go to the media and say, "Well we pretty much suck, so we are doing the best we can." I am sure there is a dose of coachspeak/playerspeak to what he is saying. Second, he's a competitive, professional athlete. You don't lace them up unless you think you can win. 

It is not fantastically difficult to look at the roster and see the rebuild. Hell, why don't you cruise through all those short term contracts that the bulk of the roster are on? Most of them can be cut next year or the year after with minimal penalty(outside of rookie deals). No one is calling the dude a liar. 

I don’t necessarily disagree with this, which is why my post indicated that we can debate the objectivity of his statements (and as you’re hinting at probably also the authenticity). My original response to BerryLoMein argued that CMC qualifies as a source with value, but we can debate what weight we give it.

[Jacabee]

17 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

Yes but he is also not a completely objective source. First, he can't exactly go to the media and say, "Well we pretty much suck, so we are doing the best we can." I am sure there is a dose of coachspeak/playerspeak to what he is saying. Second, he's a competitive, professional athlete. You don't lace them up unless you think you can win. 

It is not fantastically difficult to look at the roster and see the rebuild. Hell, why don't you cruise through all those short term contracts that the bulk of the roster are on? Most of them can be cut next year or the year after with minimal penalty(outside of rookie deals). No one is calling the dude a liar. 

I think there is a productive discussion to be had here though. What are the parameters of a “rebuild”? Are all “rebuilds” considered equal? Maybe MrCompletely can kick it off since he’s apparently identified the “epitome” of it. (Fully expect someone to take the low hanging fruit and say “the Panthers”).

[mrcompletely11]

45 minutes ago, Jacabee said:

Direct question to avoid the snarky bs: Is CMC in a better position than you to evaluate the talent on this team?

Sure but what do you expect for him to say?  He has to toe the company line.

[mrcompletely11]

18 minutes ago, Jacabee said:

I think there is a productive discussion to be had here though. What are the parameters of a “rebuild”? Are all “rebuilds” considered equal? Maybe MrCompletely can kick it off since he’s apparently identified the “epitome” of it. (Fully expect someone to take the low hanging fruit and say “the Panthers”).

Replacing what 70% of your roster and starting journeymen, rookies and 2nd year players is a definition of a rebuild.  Sorry if you dont see it that way but it is just the truth.  Losing a HOF TE, HOF linebacker, your starting MVP QB doesnt lead to a seamless transition of still being able to compete.

 

Oh and a completely new coaching staff top to bottom and a new system on both sides of the ball

[Harbingers]

4 hours ago, hepcat said:

What he says and the reality of the situation are two different things.

It’s painfully obvious this is a rebuilding year. 

But it’s the right mindset every player should have.

The issue is nobody in the building is admitting its a rebuild year. Hurney, Rhule, The players all think they can win and should win. Tepper is the the only one like... "Ya guys..."

[kungfoodude]

11 minutes ago, Harbingers said:

The issue is nobody in the building is admitting its a rebuild year. Hurney, Rhule, The players all think they can win and should win. Tepper is the the only one like... "Ya guys..."

I mean, some of that is company line stuff. Even someone like Hurney is better off not saying it publicly. We saw the email from Tepper and we saw the personnel and coaching hires, so none of us are naïve enough to think that this was anything other than a rebuild. 

This is just an odd debate to be having, quite honestly. Did anyone in this discussion seriously think this was anything other than a rebuilding year? If so, explain that to me because I am genuinely perplexed about what the rest of us are not seeing.