NFL Passing Leaders

[mav1234]

5 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

It's crazy how much these conversations get derailed by semantics. It's as if people who have watched a lot of football just can't accept that when teams are leading on the scoreboard late in the game or have a lead they know is basically insurmountable without allowing quick scores, they play softer defense that willingly allows yards to be gained (and clock to run) but doesn't allow for quick scores. Holy poo. What a crazy novel concept.

I think the difference is whether one thinks garbage time is the same as a prevent defense or not.  Scoring in garbage time is totally useless.  Scoring against a prevent defense is not.

Also our team blows, what the hell else are we going to talk about?

[Cookie Lyon]

14 minutes ago, nctarheelreincarnated said:

Can we say he's trolling? I mean, to post this useless stats is trolling. To say we need to tank for Trevor is not trolling, it's realistic. To say the team isn't good, is not trolling it's realistic. To hope for losses so you can get a top pick, well, the top pick. Is not trolling, that's being the best fan of a team that's rebuliding/flat out sucks you can be. 

BINGO

[Toomers]

47 minutes ago, Toomers said:

 

57 minutes ago, mav1234 said:

It isn't about coverage, that is not what defines garbage time. Lol.  So 2 minute defenses before the end of halves in tied games are garbage time?

edit: I mean given it isn't defined anywhere in any real sense you can make up any definition you want for it.

personally, I apply garbage time to any yardage a QB generates I find objectionable. 

No. Because teams play the end of the half to prevent any score. Teams up multiple scores are willing to give up a FG or a TD as long as it takes awhile. 

 

   Here the post you referred to. As every can see there is no mention of prevent defenses at the end of game. And my response was cut to one word so no one could see the obvious explanation. 
 

    So you lied about me and have suddenly went from no garbage time exists(that is on here) to of course it does. Only if you can pick and choose when you want to use it. I got no use for lying trash that makes poo up. You keep being you. 

[Jeremy Igo]

Me posting a fact that a Panthers QB is top 5 in passing is trolling.... on a Panthers message board... for Panthers fans....

 

Some of ya'll need to take a good hard look at yourselves. 

[Ivan The Awesome]

So um. Is this taking into account the yards from the INTs? lol

[Jeremy Igo]

Panthers haters telling on themselves in here. 

 

[mav1234]

9 minutes ago, Toomers said:

   Here the post you referred to. As every can see there is no mention of prevent defenses at the end of game. And my response was cut to one word so no one could see the obvious explanation. 
 

    So you lied about me and have suddenly went from no garbage time exists(that is on here) to of course it does. Only if you can pick and choose when you want to use it. I got no use for lying trash that makes poo up. You keep being you. 

Please find where I said "no garbage time exists"

Edit: I didn't lie about you, lol. You want garbage time defined purely by the coverage.  That is silly, and you even admitted yourself that it is not coverage that defines garbage time but the score.

[Jeremy Igo]

2 hours ago, Kentucky Panther said:

 We have a chance to get a franchise guy, maybe the top prospect since Luck.  

Hey quick question was Indianapolis completely mediocre with Luck? 

 

Ya'll want to believe grabbing a #1 pick QB is a sure thing. It ain't. In fact is hardly ever is. 

Want to know the real sure thing? A losers mentality that will take years to overcome. I want our team to want to win and I will support them in that. Losers' mentality is for, well, .... you know.  

[Toomers]

17 minutes ago, jfra78 said:

I feel he is middle of the pack starter.  But thats not the part of the comment I was referring to. I dont get why people feel the need to trash Teddy, especially when it's the same people who want the team to play bad anyway to get Lawrence

 Then it should be no problem naming 15 QBs who he is better than

[Cookie Lyon]

Playing the victim again I see...

[Toomers]

1 hour ago, mav1234 said:

personally, I apply garbage time to any yardage a QB generates I find objectionable. 

    Now compared to the fairy tale you tried with me, this is very clear 

[mrcompletely11]

8 minutes ago, Jeremy Igo said:

Hey quick question was Indianapolis completely mediocre with Luck? 

 

Ya'll want to believe grabbing a #1 pick QB is a sure thing. It ain't. In fact is hardly ever is. 

Want to know the real sure thing? A losers mentality that will take years to overcome. I want our team to want to win and I will support them in that. Losers' mentality is for, well, .... you know.  

2 questions:

1. Why are you hung up on this narrative that Luck was "mediocre"?

 

2. Do you think Teddy can be a franchise quarterback? 

[mav1234]

6 minutes ago, Toomers said:

    Now compared to the fairy tale you tried with me, this is very clear 

that was sarcasm dude, lol. because you come up with a definition ("coverage") but then apply it selectively to only the specific times in a game you decide are garbage time (hint: they relate more to the score! than to the coverage!). I was clowning on you.  I've added an emoji for you.

what about these? 

before it:

1 hour ago, mav1234 said:

The definition of garbage time is meaningless plays at the end of the game - not leading the team to attempts at comebacks with 2 scores left and multiple minutes.  If you want to bitch about his last drive being garbage time fine ( I disagree - See the fuging Cowboys lol), but I don't know you can reasonably say that pulling the team within 1 score on a drive that starts with 4 minutes left is garbage time. 

after it:

50 minutes ago, mav1234 said:

A few posts back. I brought up a situation in which the coverage you describe would very frequently be used, and you note it doesn't count as garbage time because of the score.

Of course garbage time exists.  However, it doesn't simply trigger at any point in a game in which the defense uses three down lineman, lol.  To me, garbage time is the point in a game where the end of the game is nearing and the score is such that it is extremely improbable that even with multiple scoring drives, they would win.  This usually means 3 or more scores in the 4th, or 2 scores with a minute or two, is where I consider it garbage time.  That's why I said I could see Teddy's last drive being considered garbage time.

edit: Here's another scenario. Is this garbage time?

An offense is down by 3 scores. 3 minutes left and got the ball.  The opposing defense decides to play its base defense.  This is still garbage time, no?

Tell me again I don't think garbage time exists.

I guess you selectively read posts as much as you selectively apply your garbage time criterion 

[Jeremy Igo]

Just now, mrcompletely11 said:

2 questions:

1. Why are you hung up on this narrative that Luck was "mediocre"?

 

2. Do you think Teddy can be a franchise quarterback? 

 

1. Because Luck is the QB that has had as much hype as Lawrence. 

2. Yes. If Jake Delhomme was a franchise QB, then teddy can also be that.