Stop with the tank for Trevor Bull(ish)!

[mrcompletely11]

2 minutes ago, FootballMaestro said:

Luck was never the QB they said he was when he came into the league. It took him a few years to make impact. He wasn't that good. However, the media kept telling you he was, overlooking his deficiencies. I'm not telling you he was bad. Not at all. I'm just saying, he wasn't nearly as good as they told you he was.  I watched him play (as I did Cam), so I'm not just shooting from the hip here. Lucks decision making under pressure (most QB's Achilles heel) left something to be desire most times. He also could be confused and make some bad picks, regardless of pressure. That alone should illustrate he wasn't the QB they said he was. I know some Panther fans were smitten with getting him.

Just because they said he was the 'greatest prospect since Peyton Manning", etc., doesn't mean it was true. And he certainly didn't show that on the field during his NFL tenure. He was competent to good, to sometimes very good. But certainly not consistently very good-even before the injuries.

Dude, just stop.  Holy hell you could not be any more wrong.   He went to the playoffs his first friggin year after being taken 1rst taking over a 2 win team.  Take the "L" and get out of this thread

 

[stbugs]

2 minutes ago, FootballMaestro said:

Luck was never the QB they said he was when he came into the league. It took him a few years to make impact. He wasn't that good. However, the media kept telling you he was, overlooking his deficiencies. I'm not telling you he was bad. Not at all. I'm just saying, he wasn't nearly as good as they told you he was.  I watched him play (as I did Cam), so I'm not just shooting from the hip here. Lucks decision making under pressure (most QB's Achilles heel) left something to be desire most times. He also could be confused and make some bad picks, regardless of pressure. That alone should illustrate he wasn't the QB they said he was. I know some Panther fans were smitten with getting him.

Just because they said he was the 'greatest prospect since Peyton Manning", etc., doesn't mean it was true. And he certainly didn't show that on the field during his NFL tenure. He was competent to good, to sometimes very good. But certainly not consistently very good-even before the injuries.

It took him a few years? 2011 Colts 2-14. 2012 they draft Luck. 2012, 2013 and 2014 records all 11-5. That’s not an immediate impact? 3 straight playoffs for a 2-14 team, before his first injury is taking a few years?

[mrcompletely11]

1 minute ago, FootballMaestro said:

I didn't say he wasn't good. He was.

I'm saying, he wasn't transformative; explosive, and/or the talent they said he was. Big difference.  He was good, but decently flawed as well.

except he was.  You dont have a 9 win swing and not be transformative.  Just. Stop.  You look like an uneducated poster

[LinvilleGorge]

Luck was damn good. I know a lot of Panthers fans are still salty that he spurned us, but why? Luck was damn good, but Cam ended up being better anyway. Stop being bitter about it.

[YoungPanthers89]

lemme get uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

 

Trevor Lawrence plz

[mrcompletely11]

Just now, LinvilleGorge said:

Luck was damn good. I know a lot of Panthers fans are still salty that he spurned us, but why? Luck was damn good, but Cam ended up being better anyway. Stop being bitter about it.

If Richardson would have hired Harbaugh holy hell this franchise would be in a totally different place

[thefuzz]

2 minutes ago, stbugs said:

Exactly. Even if some folks think I’m butt hurt LOL. I saw this off-season as a huge opportunity. Let Grier flail and cut Short and get 4 extra picks to use on OL prospects. Save $150M in cap to get our Khalil Mack and Frank Clark and Mathieu when we’ve got our franchise guy and the young guys are ready in 2022/2023. I’ve said all along that I’m Ok with Fields or Lance if we like them best. Not sure I feel comfortable with Hurney, but I’d rather have the top pick and make our call.

I just love Lawrence. Dude has a great arm and great touch. He dropped a Russell Wilson type dime this past weekend. 50 yards in the air where only Rodgers could get it about halfway into the end zone. No slow down by the WR just perfectly in stride with some loft to run under. Some people will just say oh it was the Citedal or he’s got great prospects, but he makes throws look easy and he’s 20, so much time to get better.

Same man, same.

Really wanted to let Hurney cook with his picks and roster this year, nope, tried to put lipstick on the pig.

I would have been so proud if we had built this thing correctly, even if it didn't work out as planned, at least there would have been a plan.

This whole thing smells of HOPE.  And as I have been told many times in my line of work: "Hope ain't a method of completion."

[FootballMaestro]

4 minutes ago, CRA said:

well, Trevor has two undefeated regular seasons to his name.  like pulls off 3 straight.  Gone to two straight nattys.  Likely pulls of 3 straight.  Dominated 3 of his 4 college playoffs games to date. 

I mean, I wouldn't say it is some political narrative creating him into something.  I mean, we have seen that before w/ a Blaine Gabbert or something.  Lawrence is just a machine.  I think Peyton is the best comparison.  Not saying he would have that career.  Just style and how he goes about things.    He won't be a superstar like Cam.  Cam was an attraction.  More of the Luke mold if he played QB.   

Yeah. I haven't watched Lawrence enough to definitely say he'll be a bust or what level he'll fall.

However, just from what I know from being involved with scouting and sports management in the past (along with being a plain ole fan watching). I know the process isn't nearly as proficient as people think it is, especially with what hits the press (many times sales pitches).

Even today, many Panther fans think Cam wasn't going to be the Panthers pick, though (not only was he clearly the best player) the Panthers were completely sold on, and smitten by him. I saw the scouting reports, and was familiar with the Panther Brass at the time. And it was no contest, despite what many in the media wanted to say. That's the kinda stuff we have to be aware or guard against sometimes.

[stbugs]

2 minutes ago, FootballMaestro said:

I didn't say he wasn't good. He was.

I'm saying, he wasn't transformative; explosive, and/or the talent they said he was. Big difference.  He was good, but decently flawed as well.

The Colts were like us. Just think of all the studs they surrounded him with and the OL he had. You’ll realize that it was a front office like ours that didn’t do enough. He was a great pick and he transformed them into a playoff team. How well have the done without him? Are they a playoff team anytime soon? Luck was a very good QB and the Colts made the right choice. Not a single other player in that entire draft would have worked out better.

There are a lot of great QBs that don’t win a SB. We heard all the poo about Cam. Peyton Manning got a lot of grief because he couldn’t win until he finally did. His talent didn’t really change. Sometimes you need a fortunate bounce or a replay official that doesn’t like the other team to actually win.

[TheRumGone]

Luck was amazing. The media just overhyped him to laughable levels and it created friction when Cam wasn’t getting the same level of treatment for amazing play as well in a billion times harder division. 

the media would headline Luck articles like “the legend grows”  it was super weird and off putting. But luck was a true baller. That wasn’t his fault. Everyone who knows Luck has said he’s a super nice guy and ultra competitive. His body just broke down behind comparable shitty olines that cam had to deal with. 

[FootballMaestro]

6 minutes ago, mrcompletely11 said:

Dude, just stop.  Holy hell you could not be any more wrong.   He went to the playoffs his first friggin year after being taken 1rst taking over a 2 win team.  Take the "L" and get out of this thread

 

No. You're the WRONG one comparing him to Peyton Manning, which he was not, never was!!

By that logic, I guess you feel Lawrence will be Peyton Manning, and what Luck was supposed to be as well?

Come on, lay it on the line!

But you know you can't say that. LOL

[stbugs]

1 minute ago, TheRumGone said:

Luck was amazing. The media just overhyped him to laughable levels and it created friction when Cam wasn’t getting the same level of treatment for amazing play as well in a billion times harder division. 

the media would headline Luck articles like “the legend grows”  it was super weird and off putting. But luck was a true baller. That wasn’t his fault. Everyone who know Luck has said he’s a super nice guy and ultra competitive. His body just broke down behind comparable shitty olines that cam had to deal with. 

Yeah, the similarities between Luck and Cam in terms of not doing great jobs building around them and the OLs allowing big hits led to both getting injured and missing significant time. Cam wanted to keep going and I think Luck realized he was going to miss another full year and hung them up.

[FootballMaestro]

1 minute ago, TheRumGone said:

Luck was amazing. The media just overhyped him to laughable levels and it created friction when Cam wasn’t getting the same level of treatment for amazing play as well in a billion times harder division. 

the media would headline Luck articles like “the legend grows”  it was super weird and off putting. But luck was a true baller. That wasn’t his fault. Everyone who know Luck has said he’s a super nice guy and ultra competitive. His body just broke down behind comparable shitty olines that cam had to deal with. 

Pretty much. Yup.

He was good. However, some here want to act like he was transformative, which he was not. And I've tried to avoid the Cam comparison (though it was probably undeclared in the back of my mind) to discuss Luck in a vacuum. But you're right. The media overrated Luck, and criminally underrated Cam. And Luck certainly wasn't the talent which they said he was (though good). Far from it.

[LinvilleGorge]

6 minutes ago, mrcompletely11 said:

If Richardson would have hired Harbaugh holy hell this franchise would be in a totally different place

Would it though? Harbaugh looks to be well on his way to flaming out at Michigan and Luck would've likely succumbed to injuries well before Cam did.I think it's quite possible we would be in a very similar spot.