Stop with the tank for Trevor Bull(ish)!

[LinvilleGorge]

7 minutes ago, stbugs said:

Did the Alabama and Ohio State games not happen? The whole Clemson team had a bad game. The LSU receivers made the Clemson secondary look awful and Higgins disappeared after Okudah crushed him and Ross regressed after his freshman year. Lawrence had a bad game, it happens, but I don’t think LSU was losing that game. They had the better team and a damn good OL that benefited from all four Clemson DL starters going in the 1st and 2nd rounds that April.

Joe Burrow had a great year, but he isn’t as good a prospect. Doesn’t mean Lawrence is guaranteed but some of these hot takes are just silly. Justin Herbert? He had a decent game. He also threw a stupid INT (one of his knocks) at the end of the game instead of even just falling forward for a 1st where a FG or TD essentially wins the game. That led to the Hill TD to tie the game. Herbert’s stats look decent but the dumb decision and the low risk passes are basically what we we saw at Oregon. 124 yards to WRs and 187 yards to TE/RBs.

Also, I’ll say this again, Joe Burrow is 3 years older than Lawrence (and Fields and probably Lance). That’s a big difference Lawrence was 18  at the start of his freshman year and turned 19 to win a NC against a star studded Alabama. Lawrence will be completing his second year in the NFL when he turns the same age as Burrow was last year at LSU.

I mean if you (not just you, all the hot takes) don’t like Clemson that’s cool but it’s really goofy to act like Lawrence isn’t an elite QB prospect on the level last seen with Luck. If you like Fields better, cool, doesn’t mean Lawrence is a bad prospect. Nothing is guaranteed for any of these guys but the draft is about their potential and he’s at the tippy top of QBs.

It's funny how combative you immediately get. Pretty much all I've said here is that Lawrence is a great prospect but if we have the #1 pick and choose a different QB because we like him better I'll be okay with that (I'd also be okay with picking Lawrence) and that Burrows last season was better than Lawrence has been so far.

*enter butthurt fueled rant*

LOL!

[CRA]

1 hour ago, LinvilleGorge said:

All I'll say about Lawrence is that Clemson has really only needed him to step up and carry them one time and that was the worst game of his life.  He's a terrific college QB, but Joe Burrow was way better last year than he has been so far and that's not a knock. Joe Burrow may have had the best college football season ever last year.

 well, I would disagree with that.   Many argued (wrongly lol)  going into that college playoffs the Championship was going to be decided in the earlier game.  The Ohio State/Clemson matchup.    

Lawrence put Clemson on his back in the Ohio St game.  No doubt about that IMO. 

Lawrence had a bad championship game.  No doubt about that.  But he dominated 3 of the 4 he playoff games he played in.   Dominated.  Including the other natty.   At some point, the bar can't be for him to be a literally video game destroyer in even CFP game.   

[mrcompletely11]

Just now, LinvilleGorge said:

It's funny how combative you immediately get. Pretty much all I've said here is that Lawrence is a great prospect but if we have the #1 pick and choose a different QB because we like him better I'll be okay with that (I'd also be okay with picking Lawrence) and that Burrows last season was better than Lawrence has been so far.

*enter butthurt fueled rant*

LOL!

If we get the #1 pick and our staff (ie Brady) decides that lance or Fields fit our franchise better after extensive research then I am totally on board with that.

[LinvilleGorge]

Just now, mrcompletely11 said:

If we get the #1 pick and our staff (ie Brady) decides that lance or Fields fit our franchise better after extensive research then I am totally on board with that.

It would be a GUTSY pick, that's for damn sure. You better damn we'll be right if you make that call.

[stbugs]

13 minutes ago, TheRumGone said:

If Trevor doesn’t have the “killer instinct” I don’t want him. 
 

look at all the qbs around the league that are Uber competitive and successful. Yes they have the tools and the talent but what separates them more is the “want.” They hate losing. Mahomes, Watson, RW, Lamar and Cam. I don’t think I’ve ever seen a player hate losing more than Cam. I want that again.

someone who knows more about Lawrence can chime in. I watched the natty Clemson lost and Trevor seemed like one of those guys but that was one game and I don’t know enough.

If the LSU game is all you saw then you missed it. He’s a very passionate guy. Go watch the OSU game. He basically carried his team to that win. Higgins got hit hard by Okudah and did nothing after that and Ross looked terrible. OSUs secondary owned Clemson’s WRs and Clemson had nothing at TE. They also bottled up Etienne for 36 yards rushing. Lawrence ran for over 100 yards and found Etienne for almost 100. If Etienne has 36 yards rushing and Higgins, Ross and Rodgers combine for 118 yards, you aren’t thinking Clemson scores 29 and wins against a stud D with 3 1st round DBs (Wade this year) and Chase Young 

Also, the Alabama game, Lawrence was amazing. Alabama has had 10 drafted D players in the past two years (i.e. guys at that game). 1 first rounder, 3 second rounders and 2 3rd rounder. The rest 4th to 6th rounders. The secondary was 2 2nds and 1 5th. Might be some this year too that started as freshman/sophomores but you get the idea that Alabama wasn’t a bunch of schlubs.

Again, the dude’s 20 years old right now. I’d love him in Carolina because I truly believe he has Peyton Manning potential with some running ability. It’s funny because I know some think I’m not a fan because I want to tank this year but man, wouldn’t it be nice to have a decade long playoff run while NO struggles to find a QB and Tampa resorts to Tampa and Ryan is basically done? I think it’d be nice to be like one of those dickhead Pats fans.

[FootballMaestro]

1 hour ago, joemac said:

He not.  Hes on the same level as Luck and Manning.

Yeah. But they were clearly wrong on Luck (even before the injuries). So, keep in mind: The scouts are wrong more often than they are right when evaluating "great" QB's from college. So take it with a grain of salt. Many times, it's done for political reason or through Group Think.

[mrcompletely11]

Just now, FootballMaestro said:

Yeah. But they were clearly wrong on Luck (even before the injuries). So, keep in mind: The scouts are wrong more often than they are right when evaluating "great" QB's from college. So take it with a grain of salt. Many times, it's done for political reason or through Group Think.

No they werent

[stbugs]

7 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

It's funny how combative you immediately get. Pretty much all I've said here is that Lawrence is a great prospect but if we have the #1 pick and choose a different QB because we like him better I'll be okay with that (I'd also be okay with picking Lawrence) and that Burrows last season was better than Lawrence has been so far.

*enter butthurt fueled rant*

LOL!

Dude you gotta relax sometimes. People aren’t always coming at you. You said Clemson never needed Lawrence before the LSU game. That’s what people who only watch the NC see and maybe that’s the knock on him. Kind of like how people were defending the Little pick left and right. If you didn’t see him at the combine you think he’s a highly rated LT that we got as a steal not a he looked awful among other prospects and we stopped his free fall. Did you watch the OSU or Alabama game and feel like he was a game manager?

Sorry man but if you want to throw some shade I’ll back him up when I think it’s crap. He had a bad game against a better team but he’s also had great games against great teams.

[TheRumGone]

1 minute ago, stbugs said:

If the LSU game is all you saw then you missed it. He’s a very passionate guy. Go watch the OSU game. He basically carried his team to that win. Higgins got hit hard by Okudah and did nothing after that and Ross looked terrible. OSUs secondary owned Clemson’s WRs and Clemson had nothing at TE. They also bottled up Etienne for 36 yards rushing. Lawrence ran for over 100 yards and found Etienne for almost 100. If Etienne has 36 yards rushing and Higgins, Ross and Rodgers combine for 118 yards, you aren’t thinking Clemson scores 29 and wins against a stud D with 3 1st round DBs (Wade this year) and Chase Young 

Also, the Alabama game, Lawrence was amazing. Alabama has had 10 drafted D players in the past two years (i.e. guys at that game). 1 first rounder, 3 second rounders and 2 3rd rounder. The rest 4th to 6th rounders. The secondary was 2 2nds and 1 5th. Might be some this year too that started as freshman/sophomores but you get the idea that Alabama wasn’t a bunch of schlubs.

Again, the dude’s 20 years old right now. I’d love him in Carolina because I truly believe he has Peyton Manning potential with some running ability. It’s funny because I know some think I’m not a fan because I want to tank this year but man, wouldn’t it be nice to have a decade long playoff run while NO struggles to find a QB and Tampa resorts to Tampa and Ryan is basically done? I think it’d be nice to be like one of those dickhead Pats fans.

That’s why I want to be sure we get the right guy because the window will be open in this division. Trey Lance is also super intriguing. That dude can chuck the fug out of the ball effortlessly. Huge arm.

[stbugs]

2 minutes ago, FootballMaestro said:

Yeah. But they were clearly wrong on Luck (even before the injuries). So, keep in mind: The scouts are wrong more often than they are right when evaluating "great" QB's from college. So take it with a grain of salt. Many times, it's done for political reason or through Group Think.

Lol. Luck took a 2-14 team to 3 straight 11-5 seasons. His OL sucked and he never had a RB and their defense wasn’t very good. Luck got the Newton treatment and got battered and didn’t want to play anymore. Acting like he wasn’t a good QB is comical.

[FootballMaestro]

6 minutes ago, mrcompletely11 said:

No they werent

Luck was never the QB they said he was when he came into the league. It took him a few years to make impact. He wasn't that good. However, the media kept telling you he was, overlooking his deficiencies. I'm not telling you he was bad. Not at all. I'm just saying, he wasn't nearly as good as they told you he was.  I watched him play (as I did Cam), so I'm not just shooting from the hip here. Lucks decision making under pressure (most QB's Achilles heel) left something to be desire most times. He also could be confused and make some bad picks, regardless of pressure. That alone should illustrate he wasn't the QB they said he was. I know some Panther fans were smitten with getting him.

Just because they said he was the 'greatest prospect since Peyton Manning", etc., doesn't mean it was true. And he certainly didn't show that on the field during his NFL tenure. He was competent to good, to sometimes very good. But certainly not consistently very good-even before the injuries.

[CRA]

13 minutes ago, FootballMaestro said:

Yeah. But they were clearly wrong on Luck (even before the injuries). So, keep in mind: The scouts are wrong more often than they are right when evaluating "great" QB's from college. So take it with a grain of salt. Many times, it's done for political reason or through Group Think.

well, Trevor has two undefeated regular seasons to his name.  likely  pulls off 3 straight.  Gone to two straight nattys.  Likely pulls of 3 straight.  Dominated 3 of his 4 college playoffs games to date. 

I mean, I wouldn't say it is some political narrative creating him into something.  I mean, we have seen that before w/ a Blaine Gabbert or something.  Lawrence is just a machine.  I think Peyton is the best comparison.  Not saying he would have that career.  Just style and how he goes about things.    He won't be a superstar like Cam.  Cam was an attraction.  More of the Luke mold if he played QB.   

[stbugs]

1 minute ago, TheRumGone said:

That’s why I want to be sure we get the right guy because the window will be open in this division. Trey Lance is also super intriguing. That dude can chuck the fug out of the ball effortlessly. Huge arm.

Exactly. Even if some folks think I’m butt hurt LOL. I saw this off-season as a huge opportunity. Let Grier flail and cut Short and get 4 extra picks to use on OL prospects. Save $150M in cap to get our Khalil Mack and Frank Clark and Mathieu when we’ve got our franchise guy and the young guys are ready in 2022/2023. I’ve said all along that I’m Ok with Fields or Lance if we like them best. Not sure I feel comfortable with Hurney, but I’d rather have the top pick and make our call.

I just love Lawrence. Dude has a great arm and great touch. He dropped a Russell Wilson type dime this past weekend. 50 yards in the air where only Rodgers could get it about halfway into the end zone. No slow down by the WR just perfectly in stride with some loft to run under. Some people will just say oh it was the Citedal or he’s got great prospects, but he makes throws look easy and he’s 20, so much time to get better.

[FootballMaestro]

5 minutes ago, stbugs said:

Lol. Luck took a 2-14 team to 3 straight 11-5 seasons. His OL sucked and he never had a RB and their defense wasn’t very good. Luck got the Newton treatment and got battered and didn’t want to play anymore. Acting like he wasn’t a good QB is comical.

I didn't say he wasn't good. He was.

I'm saying, he wasn't transformative; explosive, and/or the talent they said he was. Big difference.  He was good, but decently flawed as well.