Stop with the tank for Trevor Bull(ish)!

[KaseKlosed]

We suck. Tepper turning this team into a crap show faster than gettleman did with Giants. Panthers front office looking like idiots. We are now the new Bucs of the division. Panthers look like practice squad all stars and rejects.  

[CRA]

Just now, FootballMaestro said:

Pretty much. Yup.

He was good. However, some here want to act like he was transformative, which he was not. And I've tried to avoid the Cam comparison (though it was probably undeclared in the back of my mind) to discuss Luck in a vacuum. But you're right. The media overrated Luck, and criminally underrated Cam. And Luck certainly wasn't the talent which they said he was (though good). Far from it.

well, Cam was unjustly scrutinized.  The college scrutiny seems to never leave him.  It was just like, Cam was going be that dude people were always going to hassle.   He was always going to be underrated and downplayed. 

I don't think Luck was overrated though.  I just think he was Andrew Luck.  They largely just called him like he should of been called. 

[Logic]

6 minutes ago, FootballMaestro said:

No. You're the WRONG one comparing him to Peyton Manning, which he was not, never was!!

By that logic, I guess you feel Lawrence will be Peyton Manning, and what Luck was supposed to be as well?

Come on, lay it on the line!

But you know you can't say that. LOL

[FootballMaestro]

5 minutes ago, stbugs said:

The Colts were like us. Just think of all the studs they surrounded him with and the OL he had. You’ll realize that it was a front office like ours that didn’t do enough. He was a great pick and he transformed them into a playoff team. How well have the done without him? Are they a playoff team anytime soon? Luck was a very good QB and the Colts made the right choice. Not a single other player in that entire draft would have worked out better.

There are a lot of great QBs that don’t win a SB. We heard all the poo about Cam. Peyton Manning got a lot of grief because he couldn’t win until he finally did. His talent didn’t really change. Sometimes you need a fortunate bounce or a replay official that doesn’t like the other team to actually win.

I hear ya there.

However, I wasn't judging Luck on wins or coaching (though his was better than Cam's IMO). I was judging him on talent; impact and decision making, and it wasn't what they said it was. 

And IIRC, Indy purposefully dismantled that team the previous year for Luck (by jettisoning Peyton for example), thus had a better team than it's record indicated when he was dratted. That helped with his first year record.

Full disclosure: I watched both Luck and Cam's first few seasons. And I feel Cam not only did more with less (particularly the coaching handicap). But I also feel he was the more impressive player. The alleged marksmen type accuracy (as an example) that Luck was supposed to posses was never on display. He was never an Aaron Rogers, Tom Brady; Joe Montana/Steve Young type as they alleged he was. He was more your typical big, rugged competent QB with some drive and skills who made some occasional mistakes in key moments.

[ickmule]

It’s not really bull$hit.....it’s happening right before our eyes.  

[FootballMaestro]

10 minutes ago, CRA said:

well, Cam was unjustly scrutinized.  The college scrutiny seems to never leave him.  It was just like, Cam was going be that dude people were always going to hassle.   He was always going to be underrated and downplayed. 

I don't think Luck was overrated though.  I just think he was Andrew Luck.  They largely just called him like he should of been called. 

Yeah. I definitely liked Luck.

But the overpraise for him, and the nonsense with Cam by idiot media (not the cognoscenti who knew the deal) became so obvious and tiresome. Some of that even filtered into the fan base on boards like this, cause they either couldn't judge things for themselves or find honest media, accounts that countered it.

[GoPanthers123]

We had lost two winnable games.  Rather than give up on the season I suggest getting poo together and start winning these winnable games. 

[AggieLean]

Good discussion going on in this thread. I, personally, want Trevor. If Fields or Lance is the pick, I’d be fine with that as well. I just want to get a franchise guy back here, and I believe those guys are elite and will be leading wherever they end up for the next decade plus

[pantherphan96]

3 hours ago, kungfoodude said:

Yeah, I don't think the scouts were as in love with Burrow as the fans were. 

The scouts were in love with Trubisky and see how that worked out. Burrow is significantly better than Lawrence and proved it against much better competition. Lawrence got exposed the first time he didn't face an ACC cupcake.

[kungfoodude]

1 minute ago, pantherphan96 said:

The scouts were in love with Trubisky and see how that worked out. Burrow is significantly better than Lawrence and proved it against much better competition. Lawrence got exposed the first time he didn't face an ACC cupcake.

[gmckee1985]

People talking about tanking this early are the worst. Team hasn't looked bad at all all things considering. There are certainly some talent decencies on defense, but they've been a scrappy bunch. Lot of the things that have plagued them are fixable, self inflicted stuff. 

[Monrowed]

8 minutes ago, pantherphan96 said:

The scouts were in love with Trubisky and see how that worked out. Burrow is significantly better than Lawrence and proved it against much better competition. Lawrence got exposed the first time he didn't face an ACC cupcake.

What, during the year they won the championship or last year after he won against Ohio State?

[stbugs]

8 minutes ago, pantherphan96 said:

The scouts were in love with Trubisky and see how that worked out. Burrow is significantly better than Lawrence and proved it against much better competition. Lawrence got exposed the first time he didn't face an ACC cupcake.

You mean like Ohio State and Alabama and Notre Dame?

Do you actually believe this or did you literally only watch one college football game and base every opinion on that one game? It certainly seems like the latter.

He played and beat two secondaries with 3 1st round picks, 2 2nd round picks and 1 5th round pick. Cupcakes.

[stbugs]

1 minute ago, Monrowed said:

What, during the year they won the championship or last year after he won against Ohio State?

Some people are just really bad at analyzing or understanding things. I don’t like Clemson so Lawrence sucks. Lol. Don’t try and tell him that Burrow was 3 years older than Lawrence at the game either or that his WRs and OL were much better.