Rewind a few months...

[kungfoodude]

39 minutes ago, Basbear said:

Not joking about the worst move a team could make is make the RB the highest paid (by far too, even RBs that signed after havnt come close) on a team thats got 3 win potential. It was a couple of us hating on this in that CMC signing thread, 99% were super happy and agreeing. Honestly I wanted to trade him, if his agent was pulling out the "CMC will not report". His value would not be higher and hes on a rookie deal for 2 years, but herniay gave me another hernia with this signing. 

Oh I remember. I was on the "we can't make CMC the highest paid RB" train since the 2019 season. I love the kid but that isn't a move successful NFL franchises make. 

Of the 8 running backs that have $10+ mil/year contracts now, their combined team records in 2020 are 4-11. 

 

Edit: I looked at the top 8 QB's in pay and the combined team records are currently 10-6. 

[tailg8or]

5 hours ago, Jeremy Igo said:

Knowing what we KNEW THEN, should Hurney have extended Shaq and Tre?

Fixed that for ya. 

 

No then ... and No now.

[Varking]

I wanted to sign Bradberry so I wasn’t a fan of the Shaq signing. I wasn’t mad about Tre. Not a crazy large investment. Still not worth it but we were going for some consistency I guess since we have played Safety roulette a lot in recent years. 

[kungfoodude]

4 minutes ago, top dawg said:

The market for three-down, pass catching backs in the mold of CMC and Zeke is on the upswing. If anything, we'll look like we have a value in a couple of years. poo happens to good players, not just RBs who are quasi receivers, but receivers as well. 

Yet all those teams seem to be struggling after spending that money. Here is the pay ranking(avg. salary per year of full contract) of the top ten RB's in rushing yardage so far:

Aaron Jones - 113th

Ezekiel Elliott - 3rd

Nick Chubb - 38th

Austin Ekeler - 12th

Clyde Edwards-Helaire - 28th

Kareem Hunt - 13th

Christian McCaffery - 1st

Raheem Mostert - 26th

Kenyan Drake - 9th

David Montgomery - 71st

 

Here is the pay ranking(avg. salary per year of full contract) for the top five total rushing teams in the NFL and their leading RB rusher:

Green Bay Packers(Aaron Jones - 113th)

Cleveland Browns(Nick Chubb - 38th)

Los Angeles Rams(Malcom Brown - 41st)

Baltimore Ravens(Gus Edwards - 98th)

Arizona Cardinals(Kenyan Drake - 9th)

 

See what I mean?

 

[mrcompletely11]

33 minutes ago, top dawg said:

The market for three-down, pass catching backs in the mold of CMC and Zeke is on the upswing. If anything, we'll look like we have a value in a couple of years. poo happens to good players, not just RBs who are quasi receivers, but receivers as well. 

Upswing you say?   Can you back that up?

[kungfoodude]

Here are the current leaders in total yardage(minus returns) in the NFL among RB's and their pay ranking:

Aaron Jones(113th)
Raheem Mostert(26th)
Ezekiel Elliott(3rd)
Austin Ekeler(12th)
Christian McCaffery(1st)
Derrick Henry(7th)
James Robinson(93rd)
Clyde Edwards-Helaire(28th)
David Montgomery(71st)
Nick Chubb(38th)

[Basbear]

23 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

Here are the current leaders in total yardage(minus returns) in the NFL among RB's and their pay ranking:

Aaron Jones(113th)
Raheem Mostert(26th)
Ezekiel Elliott(3rd)
Austin Ekeler(12th)
Christian McCaffery(1st)
Derrick Henry(7th)
James Robinson(93rd)
Clyde Edwards-Helaire(28th)
David Montgomery(71st)
Nick Chubb(38th)

Austin Ekeler(12th) thats what I would have done, very fair contract and about the same stats. Herniay has always overpaided RBs, about the only spot worse to overpay is long snapper..

[ColumbusCounty]

Thinking back...

Tre played his ass off the last half of the season last year. The last game we played he was looking Pro-Bowl-ish iirc. I also knew Hurney would sign him just based off all the gushing in a radio interview about Boston when Gettleman was still GM. He likes his ball skills and range. 

Shaq being resigned was a mistake imo. I seem to remember him playing MLB when Luke was out and him excelling. Right now that's not the case. Probably could have let him walk... got a comp pick and a legitimate FA pick up at that position. 

At this moment, his saving grace may be Rasul Douglas and Robby Anderson. However something tells me those were the coach's pick...atleast Anderson anyway. 

All that said, his time should have been up in Carolina. 

[Rags]

7 hours ago, LinvilleGorge said:

No and no. I was always on the Bradberry > Shaq train.

Same but also here's a fun mental image.

How bad would this LB core be without Shaq?

[top dawg]

1 hour ago, mrcompletely11 said:

Upswing you say?   Can you back that up?

CMC, Zeke, Kamara and Cook all got paid well above what guys were getting paid even three years ago!

[top dawg]

1 hour ago, kungfoodude said:

Yet all those teams seem to be struggling after spending that money. Here is the pay ranking(avg. salary per year of full contract) of the top ten RB's in rushing yardage so far:

Aaron Jones - 113th

Ezekiel Elliott - 3rd

Nick Chubb - 38th

Austin Ekeler - 12th

Clyde Edwards-Helaire - 28th

Kareem Hunt - 13th

Christian McCaffery - 1st

Raheem Mostert - 26th

Kenyan Drake - 9th

David Montgomery - 71st

 

Here is the pay ranking(avg. salary per year of full contract) for the top five total rushing teams in the NFL and their leading RB rusher:

Green Bay Packers(Aaron Jones - 113th)

Cleveland Browns(Nick Chubb - 38th)

Los Angeles Rams(Malcom Brown - 41st)

Baltimore Ravens(Gus Edwards - 98th)

Arizona Cardinals(Kenyan Drake - 9th)

 

See what I mean?

 

I hear you, but you have to take all-purpose yards into account. You can't just zero in on the rushing yards because the NFL is changing before our eyes. Plus, a two-game stretch of one season doesn't reflect the real value of these guys who account for so much of their team's offense over an entire season. 

It's just a matter of philosophy, but most teams are going to pay their superstar hybrid RBs if they're lucky enough to land one. 

And honestly, when you look at these guys provide, 15 or 16 mil is still am effective value. 

But, if you don't have one, there are always more ways to skin a cat. 

[Moo Daeng]

Technically Boston was resigned, not extended. Thompson's contract has an out before it gets pricey next year.

[Toomers]

  Shouldn’t have done it based on what we knew then. Much less now. Shaqs overpaid by a lot and Boston had 3M price tag that really shouldn’t have went up based on anything he did here. 
 

  And you can’t judge anything about CMCs contract because he got hurt, in a year that might be a blessing down the road. Without a serious injury. He will provide plenty of value in a couple years when they need him too. Not putting up useless stats in a lost year. I’m not saying he shouldn’t come back. But this is far from the worst thing.

[Sgt Schultz]

I remember speculation after Luke announced his retirement that maybe Hurney was told it was coming, leading to the Shaq deal. I think that was based on trying to make sense of the events.  The other side of the argument is that it wreaks of being a Hurney brainstorm.

Either way, the deal hit me as odd for a couple of reasons.  I didn't see anything in Shaq's play that warranted that level of "appreciation" and the timing was bizarre.  We were clearly going into a rebuilding process, bringing in a new coach and staff, and with an unknown defensive scheme preference. I never really understood why we were doing much of anything with contracts at that point.

About the only sense I could make of it was he is not over the hill.