Rewind a few months...

[Basbear]

5 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

I'm a sucker for it in the draft. I'm not a sucker for it on 4th year pros.

Thats not true love then....Example - Id still be calling Percy Harvin in for a try out. 

[Basbear]

6 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

OTC has his valuation at $4.9 mil. That's a little high, IMO but I wouldn't be against that provided he finally steps up his production this season. 

I think its low, he can get better.....also he can get worst. I love the gadget types, weapons that line up anywhere and can score a TD on special teams. ELite foot speed AND gets 5 yards of separation a few times each game... Id put a clause with that deal too- X amount juggs time for his hands issue.  He done fine thus far, I believe hes 3rd in targets, gets about 5 per game. About to see how this works without CMC too, will Samuel step up?   

[kungfoodude]

3 minutes ago, Basbear said:

I think its low, he can get better.....also he can get worst. I love the gadget types, weapons that line up anywhere and can score a TD on special teams. ELite foot speed AND gets 5 yards of separation a few times each game... Id put a clause with that deal too- X amount juggs time for his hands issue.  He done fine thus far, I believe hes 3rd in targets, gets about 5 per game. About to see how this works without CMC too, will Samuel step up?   

According to NFL Next Gen Stats, he was 4th on our team in Average Separation in Game 1(3.17 yards vs. 2.84 League Average) and 2nd on our team in Average Separation in Game 2(3.94 yards vs. 2.84 League Average). 

Sort of speaks to his general lack of real consistency. That's my big problem with him, you absolutely cannot count on him to show up game in and game out. He flashes every 3rd or 4th game and then you largely get something that you could have gotten from any number of journeyman slot WR's in the NFL the rest of the time. 

I am hoping we utilize him much more in the running game this week and discover that he is more suited for a role out of the backfield. 

[Basbear]

10 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

According to NFL Next Gen Stats, he was 4th on our team in Average Separation in Game 1(3.17 yards vs. 2.84 League Average) and 2nd on our team in Average Separation in Game 2(3.94 yards vs. 2.84 League Average). 

Sort of speaks to his general lack of real consistency. That's my big problem with him, you absolutely cannot count on him to show up game in and game out. He flashes every 3rd or 4th game and then you largely get something that you could have gotten from any number of journeyman slot WR's in the NFL the rest of the time. 

I am hoping we utilize him much more in the running game this week and discover that he is more suited for a role out of the backfield. 

What did those next gen stats say about last year? He is not without faults, consistency is one, hands is the other, early on it was injuries/concussions, the whole momma dropping him off in TC, etc. I did hear they only had one car was the reason.... still buy momma/family a Camry bro.

[kungfoodude]

1 minute ago, Basbear said:

What did those next gen stats say about last year? He is not without faults, consistency is one, hands is the other, early on it was injuries/concussions, the whole momma dropping him off in TC, etc. I did hear they only had one car was the reason.... still buy momma/family a Camry bro.

League Average: 2.84

Game 1: 2.53 yds(5th on team)

Game 2: 3.18 yds(2nd on team)

Game 3: 2.77 yds(2nd on team)

Game 4: 1.25 yds(4th on team)

Game 5: 2.78 yds(3rd on team)

Game 6: 2.29 yds(3rd on team)

Game 7: 2.30 yds(4th on team)

Game 8: 1.88 yds(4th on team)

Game 9: 2.38 yds(4th on team)

Game 10: 2.19 yds(5th on team)

Game 11: 3.02 yds(1st on team)

Game 12: 3.27 yds(4th on team)

Game 13: 1.70 yds(5th on team)

Game 14: 3.77 yds(3rd on team)

Game 15: 2.83 yds(4th on team)

Game 16: Not in top 5. Lowest was 1.72 yds

 

So, actually even worse than I expected. 4 games above league average and only 1 game as team leader. 

[Basbear]

21 hours ago, kungfoodude said:

League Average: 2.84

Game 1: 2.53 yds(5th on team)

Game 2: 3.18 yds(2nd on team)

Game 3: 2.77 yds(2nd on team)

Game 4: 1.25 yds(4th on team)

Game 5: 2.78 yds(3rd on team)

Game 6: 2.29 yds(3rd on team)

Game 7: 2.30 yds(4th on team)

Game 8: 1.88 yds(4th on team)

Game 9: 2.38 yds(4th on team)

Game 10: 2.19 yds(5th on team)

Game 11: 3.02 yds(1st on team)

Game 12: 3.27 yds(4th on team)

Game 13: 1.70 yds(5th on team)

Game 14: 3.77 yds(3rd on team)

Game 15: 2.83 yds(4th on team)

Game 16: Not in top 5. Lowest was 1.72 yds

 

So, actually even worse than I expected. 4 games above league average and only 1 game as team leader. 

Thats a lot worst than I would have bet too, CMC must be the #1. Not the whole game or ever play, but I seen a few plays each game and Samuel was alone. QB didnt look for him or play didnt call for him or no trust or poor QB play. He can earn lots of money in the next three games, chargers have a great group of DBs tho. He just turned 24, a few players where drafted older than him in the 2020 draft. 

[kungfoodude]

11 minutes ago, Basbear said:

Thats a lot worst than I would have bet too, CMC must be the #1. Not the whole game or ever play, but I seen a few plays each game and Samuel was alone. QB didnt look for him or play didnt call for him or no trust or poor QB play. He can earn lots of money in the next three games, chargers have a great group of DBs tho. He just turned 24, a few players where drafted older than him in the 2020 draft. 

I don't think CMC was ever #1 in any game. That's not a reasonable expectation for a RB to be leading in a stat like that. 

I get that you are still on the Samuel bandwagon but sometimes these guys just don't pan out. Right now, Curtis is trending that way. I was a big fan of the draft pick at the time and I am not a big fan of it in hindsight. Trust me, if I am proven right, I won't take any joy in it. Whiffing on top 3 round draft picks is how you critically hurt a franchise and it's future.