Official Sunday Night Football thread - Pats at Hawks

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1 hour ago, Cookie Lyon said:

This is just laughable. All of these bums on this list. 

I can't QWHITE put my finger on it...

Why is Teddy not on that list?

[hepcat]

1 hour ago, mav1234 said:

as much as we joke about that, the dude was an undrafted exclusive rights FA and played very well overall given that fact... he was always more humble than the fans & media, and he never put himself into the stupid "ALLEN VS CAM" debate and in fact was a regular defender of Cam's despite various posters insistence cam was a problem and a distraction.  he's never gonna be the answer for any decent team as a starting QB, but he gave us exactly what a backup should for a half season before the wheels fell off.  problem is he was never more than a backup and probably won't ever be.

Kyle Allen will be in the NFL for a long time as a backup. We will see him emerge as a starter somewhere else for a time, I’m sure. Maybe even in Washington this season. He’s probably going to have a similar career to Matt Moore.

[TheRumGone]

Lol

[Toomers]

1 hour ago, tiger7_88 said:

1 hour ago, tiger7_88 said:

The fullback on the edge allowed the corner on that edge to take him out at the knees.  Two bodies laying on the ground right in Cam's way.

At the same time, the left tackle lost leverage and got blown up.

While simultaneously Bobby Wagner came straight up the gut, so the pulling guard who otherwise was supposed to continue to the edge and block for Cam had to stop in the middle of his run to block Bobby Wagner from coming in untouched up the middle.

Seattle played that play beautifully.  They knew it was coming and they were ready for it.

  The main difference was LJ Collier got driven way downfield on both TDs. This time he knocked Wynn on his ass and hit Cam at the 3. Along with everything you mentioned, it was a bad play from the jump. 
 

 Put him back there with 2 FB/TEs and pinch the OL towards the Center. Those two will catch any penetration, and as long as Cam gets airborne, you win. Out there on the edge depends on a good one on one block. That harder in the middle when your just closing gaps so Cam can jump. 

[FootballMaestro]

17 hours ago, tiger7_88 said:

Yep.

People think drafting a new starting QB that can make an impact in this league is as easy as driving to the 7-11 to buy a Snickers.  Getting a damned effective starting QB is fugging HARD in the NFL.  Here are the 1st round QBs drafted and where they were selected since 2011 (Cam's draft year):

 

 

EVERYBODY thinks they're going to get the next Patrick Mahomes to carry them to glory when selecting their QB in the 1st round, but what they are very very much more likely to get is a Blake Bortles that will inure them to long-time mediocrity.

 

Yupppp.

I was trying to say this earlier in another quote, illustrating that the "scouts", and more so the (lying, captured) media are way more times wrong than people realize.

[FootballMaestro]

17 hours ago, Cookie Lyon said:

That list is a sight to see.

So many of those guys I have forgotten about because they flamed out so fast.

Not only that but the media (like in so many other areas) never reminds of us the truth (especially when they or the people they claim to quote are wrong). They just move on and talk about other things as if they never happened. Then the next year, they start all over again shamelessly telling you what the "scouts" allegedly said about whatever player they're shilling for to sell you more magazines; web clicks and ratings, knowing that 50-90% will be wrong anyway. SMH

[FootballMaestro]

15 hours ago, tiger7_88 said:

I can't solely blame delusional Carolina fans specifically for that.  Hell, Allen at that time was getting a tongue bath from local and national sports media too.

Which just goes to show that the intelligence level of the local and national sports media is likely akin to the intelligence level of the troglodyte Carolina Panthers fan.

Yeah. It's a combination of them being dumb, and/or not caring and just selling a narrative thru group think. And of course, not a lick of it needs to be true. That's the way it always is, has been.

[FootballMaestro]

15 hours ago, mav1234 said:

the play was a terrible call, flat out.  i dont blame cam for that.  mcd is mindboggling sometimes, but I'm hoping those wrinkles get ironed out.  Cam always seems best in goal to go when he can make a RPO decision.  but I didn't watch the play more than once cause I was kind of pissed, so maybe I'm mistaken on that having been an option.

 

that is why i dont really care for the "please have our team be so bad we are guaranteed the #1 pick :DDD" hype because there's been plenty of zomg surefire generational flameouts.  We aren't getting Cam back and the best I hope for now is Teddy to get better in this offense.

We're never replacing Cam with a version posters here will like more for whitever reason so I don't see the point in desperately rooting for my team to lose out.  If we end up in position to draft a QB I'll be happy with whomever we taken, but honestly this year has been so awful, I just would like the Panthers play - even if it ends in losses - to be a good distraction on Sunday.

You're correct.

The Player to REPLACE CAM (if there ever is such a thing) will more likely be someone from the draft you least expect, or an already established player that comes to the Panthers and blossoms.

[FootballMaestro]

15 hours ago, tiger7_88 said:

The fullback on the edge allowed the corner on that edge to take him out at the knees.  Two bodies laying on the ground right in Cam's way.

At the same time, the left tackle lost leverage and got blown up.

While simultaneously Bobby Wagner came straight up the gut, so the pulling guard who otherwise was supposed to continue to the edge and block for Cam had to stop in the middle of his run to block Bobby Wagner from coming in untouched up the middle.

Seattle played that play beautifully.  They knew it was coming and they were ready for it.

 

 

I see what you did there.

I mean, either way you're going to be second guessed on your decision there. Nonetheless,  this is why I thought a quick pass (something they weren't expecting, but was executed through out the game) may have worked better there.

Speaking about "quick passes":  Many of us (me included) said for years that Cam and Short/Quick passes were a product of the OL and coaching. Not that it wasn't something he couldn't expressly do (as many here wanted us to believe), considering how talented; football smart and hard worker Cam was at Carolina.

Well, after his first game: All we heard was 'oh, all he can do is throw the short passes now'. LOL. And in his Sunday night game, he did both (short and long) passes beautifully with a high percentage.

It's still early in the season , yes. But, Gee/I guess that coaching is worth something after all, isn't it (cue your CH GIF)!?