Week 1 Panthers Metrics/Ratings

[Icege]

Yooo let's go Rasul and Weatherly!!

Surprised at the Okung score because I thought I saw him give up more than a few pressures, but if my man was doing his job while I wasn't looking I can't be mad :D

[kungfoodude]

14 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

It's easy to determine what the play call was when everyone does their job, but when someone blows it, it can be tough to determine who. Just look at zone coverages. Okay, that CB sat down while the other CB dropped and the CB who sat down allowed a deep ball over the top. He screwed up, right? Well... maybe. But it could've been a cover 6 or cover 9 look where he did his job correctly and it was the safety who was supposed to drop.

Again, you are talking about looking at it from a fan's perspective versus a players or coaches perspective with thousands of reps behind them. The majority of the time, you probably are going to be able to discern the scheme and play call. If you want examples, literally listen to ex-player color analysts when they break down plays in live broadcasts. Did you watch the videos of Luke watching film like a maniac? That's what coaches, players, scouts and analysts for every NFL team do every week. That's how you game plan for an opponent. 

If every busted coverage or missed assignment made it impossible to figure out what the play calls and assignments were, the shittiest teams would be impossible to plan for. 

You can read the methodology behind PFF and they are basically telling you that this is what they do. They have an analyst grade a player and then another analyst grade the player independently. We have not other idea about it than that. Maybe the guys grading it did a good job, maybe they didn't. Ultimately, it's a subjective measure.

The thing I have always found hilarious is when people rip their analysis apart without doing what they do. If you disagree with their analysis, break that player's film down and show how they are wrong. If we are honest, not a single one of us has probably ever taken a Panthers game, watched every play and focused on one player specifically to grade them. Until someone sits down and does that, you have to take them at face value which is a subjective grading system that is probably right a decent amount of the time. It probably also is pretty close to the mark over the course of the season, because biases and weaknesses in individual judgement calls end up largely canceling out. Just my theory on it. I also don't get to see behind the curtain to evaluate it.

[kungfoodude]

1 minute ago, Icege said:

Yooo let's go Rasul and Weatherly!!

Surprised at the Okung score because I thought I saw him give up more than a few pressures, but if my man was doing his job while I wasn't looking I can't be mad :D

I don't have the premium access to see what the breakdowns were. Could be that he did a great job on run blocking and a mediocre job on pass blocking and that his rating was higher as a result.

[kungfoodude]

1 hour ago, Jeremy Igo said:

WHITEHEAD A 32?!?!?!

 

 

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That's being generous.

 

 

60th of 66 players, so probably not that generous. 

[run-run-pass-punt]

2 hours ago, uncfan888 said:

Bridgewater played better than a 55. Pff is out there with their grades sometimes 

Yeah, you can try attaching numbers to everything, but it doesn't always work.

[Sean Payton's Vicodin]

PANTHERS FAVORITE TO GET NUMBER 1 DRAFT PICK ON FOOTBALL OUTSIDERS

 

[top dawg]

1 hour ago, Sean Payton's Vicodin said:

PANTHERS FAVORITE TO GET NUMBER 1 DRAFT PICK ON FOOTBALL OUTSIDERS

 

Honestly, I don't need them to tell me that. Other than getting blown up by Julio Jones, I think it was our worst outing on defense that I can remember. 

With repeated defensive performances like that, I'd be surprised to win a single game.

[AU-panther]

5 hours ago, LinvilleGorge said:

It's why I've always viewed PFF's ratings as being arrogantly tone deaf. Like in a blown coverage. Yeah, obviously somebody screwed up, but who? Without knowing the actual play call you're left with a wild ass guess. 

But people people who understand football have a pretty good idea, so while they aren’t going to be correct 100% of the time they are are going to be correct the majority of the time. 
Even if they are incorrect 10% of the time that margin of error is going to be applied across all players for the most part so their rankings should be fairly useful.   

[stbugs]

6 hours ago, KSpan said:

Cornerbacks not showing up on the stat sheet can be a good thing. Not saying that applies to Donte here, just saying it overall.

Yeah, if he was Deion and Ruggs disappeared then I wouldn’t post that! Unfortunately, that’s not the case.

[Captain Morgan]

Meanwhile in Atlanta, 

PICK NO. 16: CB A.J. TERRELL, ATLANTA FALCONS
2020 overall grade: 43.4
When the opposing quarterback passes for 319 yards and four touchdowns, chances are that the cornerback play was not stellar. That proved to be the case for A.J. Terrell and the Falcons. Terrell finished with a sub-45.0 PFF grade and gave up a catch on all six of his targets, surrendering 100 receiving yards, a touchdown and a perfect 158.3 passer rating.

[JawnyBlaze]

PFF is trash, but these don’t look too off. 

[sry]

9 hours ago, uncfan888 said:

Bridgewater played better than a 55. Pff is out there with their grades sometimes 

Different systems, different grades.  His total QBR for the week was No. 8 out of 32 quarterbacks.

[JARROD]

Great,.. drafted a whole defense that ranks at the bottom after playing da Raiders....

if it had been the chiefs we might have been the first modern team to have a Hondo hung on us,..

[LinvilleGorge]

Anyone expecting a D featuring 4 rookies starting to be good or anything close to it wasn't being reasonable.