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Prime position for Lawrence

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Moo Daeng Experienced

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If not starting them is the best way to develop a qb then who cares if you miss one year of them. The goal is them being their best not pro rating their salary over a number of years or snaps.  Development and wins are the goal, nothing else. The cost is the same either way so the best outcome is whats important 

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Basbear Grand Master

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8 minutes ago, Moo Daeng said:

If not starting them is the best way to develop a qb then who cares if you miss one year of them. The goal is them being their best not pro rating their salary over a number of years or snaps.  Development and wins are the goal, nothing else. The cost is the same either way so the best outcome is whats important 

Thats fair.

 

 

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35 minutes ago, Basbear said:

Thats the issue, not playing him that year hurts the case for drafting a QB. You're one year closer to the 500million(if youre that lucky) or one year closer to drafting another one. @Jon Snow mentioned the browns and Joe Thomas never helped them reaching the playoffs. Browns where the worst run franchise during that era, they spend about 5 early draft picks(if I member right) on QBs. Id gladly take Thomas over those QBs drafted.

Once you list QBs and LTs, plus factor in age, skills, talent, and volume. Its clear right now and for the last couple years, its harder to find a good LT. Look at free agency this past year, plenty of options at QBs (Cam, Teddy, Phil, Winston etc) nothing at LT. If a team gets a Walter Jones, no chance he hits the open market. College and NFL have offensives that are QB friendly now, its the opposite for OLmen. Im dying alone on the "draft Sewell" hill.

 

Browns are just an awful example of anything in the draft. The point still stands that Thomas and Jones don’t make a team a playoff team. They can make them better but a real franchise QB can make a team a playoff team. It’s funny because all posts about first round QBs have centered on winning SBs and that’s the wrong thing. That takes luck and timing. As if Luck was a bad pick because he didn’t get to the SB. They were 2-14 before Luck and 11-5 three straight years with him. Yep, couldn’t get by Brady and injuries did him in but would the Colts have made the playoffs with any of the castoff QBs and Walter Jones? Not IMHO.

Also, if you are going to say an injured Cam, Teddy, Winston and Rivers are “good” QBs available then your LT list is going to be way bigger. Okung is as good a LT as any of those QBs available minus Cam if he somehow shows that he’s back healthy. Then again the same healthy thing holds for Okung. In 2015 Oher was as good at LT as Rivers and Winston will be this year.

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3 hours ago, Basbear said:

Thats the issue, not playing him that year hurts the case for drafting a QB. You're one year closer to the 500million(if youre that lucky) or one year closer to drafting another one. @Jon Snow mentioned the browns and Joe Thomas never helped them reaching the playoffs. Browns where the worst run franchise during that era, they spend about 5 early draft picks(if I member right) on QBs. Id gladly take Thomas over those QBs drafted.

Once you list QBs and LTs, plus factor in age, skills, talent, and volume. Its clear right now and for the last couple years, its harder to find a good LT. Look at free agency this past year, plenty of options at QBs (Cam, Teddy, Phil, Winston etc) nothing at LT. If a team gets a Walter Jones, no chance he hits the open market. College and NFL have offensives that are QB friendly now, its the opposite for OLmen. Im dying alone on the "draft Sewell" hill.

 

Lets say you have 22 average starters, and you are allowed to replace one of those positions with a great player. which position do you replace.

The answer is QB and its not even close.  An elite QB will add more wins to your team than an elite anything else.

I get the idea that Sewell might be the safer pick, as far as a higher chance of being elite than any of the the QBs, but the reward of an elite QB is so much greater that it makes up for the risk.

Speaking of Jones, how many Super Bowls did he win?  Same as Joe Thomas?

 

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Last number 1 OT was Eric Fisher in 2013

Who drafted him? The defending SB champs KC Chiefs

However, the Chiefs weren't SB contenders until they got a QB.

You need a QB to win. Otherwise you better hope that you assemble a dominating defense like the 2013 Seahawks or 2015 Broncos. And those fall apart faster than a QB does, even ones badly mismanaged like Luck and Cam.

 

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3 hours ago, mrcompletely11 said:

Granted it was the Citadel but my man TL put on a clinic for a half

That 50ish yard TD to Rodgers was beautiful. Great deep ball touch. I know it’s the Citedal but no DB had a chance.

The amazing thing is Lawrence is still only 20 years old for another few weeks. Remember how young CMC was his first season? Lawrence is only 8 months older. Fields is young too, only 7 months older than Lawrence. I couldn’t find Trey Lance’s age anywhere, but this is his 3rd year so I’d assume around the same.

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8 minutes ago, stbugs said:

That 50ish yard TD to Rodgers was beautiful. Great deep ball touch. I know it’s the Citedal but no DB had a chance.

The amazing thing is Lawrence is still only 20 years old for another few weeks. Remember how young CMC was his first season? Lawrence is only 8 months older. Fields is young too, only 7 months older than Lawrence. I couldn’t find Trey Lance’s age anywhere, but this is his 3rd year so I’d assume around the same.

His floor is an above average NFL qb.  His ceiling is mahomes

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