Prime position for Lawrence

[mrcompletely11]

19 minutes ago, Tepper's Chest Hair said:

The last time a team picked a QB first over all and ended up winning a superbowl with him was what..1989 with Aikman?

 

 

You may want to check that again

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15 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Oh please. For every Carr there's another guy who took a beating for a couple of years and turned out fine. The bottom line is that to land a legit franchise QB you usually have to be in a position to land a top pick and that means having a pretty awful team. Sure, sometimes you can get lucky as hell and land a Brady in the 6th or a Russell in the 3rd, or an Aaron Rodgers in the late 1st but usually getting that elite guy means having a single digit pick.

Peyton was destroyed his rookie season

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11 minutes ago, Tepper's Chest Hair said:

Eli Manning won 0 superbowls with the Chargers.

I forgot about Peyton.

So 2 times in the last 31 years?  I guess thats enough to bank a strat on.

Last playoffs there were what.  2 total QBs drafted in the top 10 there past the wildcard round?

Lol. Are you really that dense? Eli wasn’t even a Charger for an hour.

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16 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Oh please. For every Carr there's another guy who took a beating for a couple of years and turned out fine. The bottom line is that to land a legit franchise QB you usually have to be in a position to land a top pick and that means having a pretty awful team. Sure, sometimes you can get lucky as hell and land a Brady in the 6th or a Russell in the 3rd, or an Aaron Rodgers in the late 1st but usually getting that elite guy means having a single digit pick.

I mean it’s idiocy. I actual think these guys believe it. Even Teddy was a first round pick. So was Flacco, so was Dilfer, so was Roethlisberger and Mahomes and a bunch of others. Too many to list. These same people love Cam when he was there but now don’t want a QB at the top of the first.

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14 minutes ago, Tepper's Chest Hair said:

Eli Manning won 0 superbowls with the Chargers.

I forgot about Peyton.

So 2 times in the last 31 years?  I guess thats enough to bank a strat on.

Last playoffs there were what.  2 total QBs drafted in the top 10 there past the wildcard round?

Normally I agree with you but TL is a different animal.  I dont know if that same is true for Fields or Lance I just havent seen them enough.   I have been screaming on here for years that we needed to invest a high pick on a tackle. Look at the playoff teams from last year and you will see their main foundation of the line came from early draft picks.

 

But again Lawrence is a mobile peyton manning.  A virtual lock to have you sniffing the playoffs year in and year out.  You dont pass that up.  But if we finish with the 3rd pick or so I would be fine taking Sewell if Teddy has shown some consistency and skill that we can build around which I dont think he has yet to date. 

[Tepper's Chest Hair]

1 hour ago, stbugs said:

Lol. Are you really that dense? Eli wasn’t even a Charger for an hour

I mean.

1 hour ago, Tepper's Chest Hair said:

The last time a team picked a QB first over all and ended up winning a superbowl with him was what..1989 with Aikman?

 

 

That was my statement you responded to.  Eli did not win a superbowl with the team that drafted him 1st over all.  

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1 minute ago, Tepper's Chest Hair said:

I mean.

That was my statement you responded to.  Eli did not win a superbowl with the team that drafted him 1st over all.  

That is a strange hill to die on

[Tepper's Chest Hair]

Just now, mrcompletely11 said:

That is a strange hill to die on

Ok.  Are either of these following statements correct?

Eli won a Superbowl with the Chargers

Giants drafted 1st over all in 2004.

If not, you are saying "being factually accurate is a strange hill to die on".

But whatever, going off course.  Reply with what you want.  Wasnt expecting people to make such a big deal about historical facts.

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He was still drafted #1 so you point is invalid 

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35 minutes ago, mrcompletely11 said:

He was still drafted #1 so you point is invalid 

He’s just being obtuse. It’d be like saying Kobe’s Laker rings don’t count for first rounders because he wasn’t technically drafted by them.

Some people are just trying to be goofy about this. It’s like they don’t want to have a potential Peyton Manning leading us to a decade of playoffs and hopefully a SB win.

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2 hours ago, Tepper's Chest Hair said:

Eli Manning won 0 superbowls with the Chargers.

I forgot about Peyton.

So 2 times in the last 31 years?  I guess thats enough to bank a strat on.

Last playoffs there were what.  2 total QBs drafted in the top 10 there past the wildcard round?

Ok, now let’s artificially say top 10 and past the WC so that we cutoff 1st rounders like Watson, Jackson, Allen and Wentz.

How about this? 5 of the 6 AFC QBs were first rounders and the Tom Brady. 4 of the 6 were top 12 picks. In the NFC, there were 2 first rounders and a guy chosen at pick 32 (Brees) which is now a 1st rounder. Also, Wilson, who like Brady is an anomaly and just one of those every decade picks.

So, unless you get the once a decade pick, you are resting your laurels on Garappolo, Cousins or a 1st rounder/top 32 pick. Brees, Jackson and Rodgers were  of the top 12. Garappolo and Cousins aren’t SB winning type QBsand that’s even with the ridiculous D that Jimmy had. Seems to me that when 5 of the 10 non once a decade amazing pick QBs are top 12 picks and the other 3 studs are top 32 picks, it seems that your flimsy point is invalid. The easiest way to get to the playoffs is a top 12 QB. The hardest is building an entire team around a Cousins type QB. The luckiest is to find a once a decade pick like Montana, Brady or Wilson.

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54 minutes ago, mrcompletely11 said:

He was still drafted #1 so you point is invalid 

My point is only invalid if you want to go back in time and change the words I said that he responded to.

2 minutes ago, stbugs said:

Ok, now let’s artificially say top 10 and past the WC so that we cutoff 1st rounders like Watson, Jackson, Allen and Wentz.

How about this? 5 of the 6 AFC QBs were first rounders and the Tom Brady. 4 of the 6 were top 12 picks. In the NFC, there were 2 first rounders and a guy chosen at pick 32 (Brees) which is now a 1st rounder. Also, Wilson, who like Brady is an anomaly and just one of those every decade picks.

So, unless you get the once a decade pick, you are resting your laurels on Garappolo, Cousins or a 1st rounder/top 32 pick. Brees, Jackson and Rodgers were  of the top 12. Garappolo and Cousins aren’t SB winning type QBsand that’s even with the ridiculous D that Jimmy had. Seems to me that when 5 of the 10 non once a decade amazing pick QBs are top 12 picks and the other 3 studs are top 32 picks, it seems that your flimsy point is invalid. The easiest way to get to the playoffs is a top 12 QB. The hardest is building an entire team around a Cousins type QB. The luckiest is to find a once a decade pick like Montana, Brady or Wilson.

I am not really sure what the point you are trying to make is.

We went from "Number 1 over all" to top 10..to top 12 to first rounder in general?

All I am trying to say is that trying to put your future hopes and dreams on your team drafting a number 1 pick QB to win you a Superbowl doesn't seem to work out that well.

You can get a quality QB outside of the number 1 over all pick.  It happens all the time.  People here are acting like the only way to solve our problems is to get Number 1 Over All for TL.

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53 minutes ago, mrcompletely11 said:

He was still drafted #1 so you point is invalid 

I mean should there really even be a discussion about the odds of a QB being a stud based on where they are picked, especially in a year where the top QBs aren’t huge reaches. I mean, everyone knew 1983 and 2004 were great first round QBs and everyone knew that Mayfield, Russell and Couch, etc. weren’t in those ballparks.

It’s like people thinking Nick Foles is the answer and forgetting that the Eagles got HFA due to an 11-2 Wentz whose 33TDs has him as the MVP front runner. Sure Foles came up big but they might not even get there without Wentz.

1st round QBs litter the playoffs, especially if you concede that Montana, Wilson and Brady are just flukes and amazing picks. When you takes those flukes out, it’s even more stark.

Also, yes I know Teddy was a first rounder. I just don’t think he’s the same as other pick 32s like Brees and Jackson.

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23 minutes ago, Tepper's Chest Hair said:

My point is only invalid if you want to go back in time and change the words I said that he responded to.

I am not really sure what the point you are trying to make is.

We went from "Number 1 over all" to top 10..to top 12 to first rounder in general?

All I am trying to say is that trying to put your future hopes and dreams on your team drafting a number 1 pick QB to win you a Superbowl doesn't seem to work out that well.

You can get a quality QB outside of the number 1 over all pick.  It happens all the time.  People here are acting like the only way to solve our problems is to get Number 1 Over All for TL.

No, you are setting stupid goal posts. Draft day trades don’t count as being picked by a team. Only top 10 QBs who make it past WC round count. I mean it’s just honestly dumb to try and frame the data set that way. I don’t care if you’re technically correct, it’s just a meaningless slice of data and proves nothing. You are trying to assert that number 1 overall QBs don’t win and then trying to make it look like top QB selections don’t make the playoffs.

Also, you are 100% wrong that people are saying that Lawrence at #1 is the only way. I and others have mentioned Fields and Lance. What I’ve said is that I think it’s the easiest way. I’ll say it again, the top QBs in this class are special. This isn’t your Mayfield, Darnold, hurt Tua (loved him pre-injury), Russell, Couch, etc. This year is more like Eli, Rivers and Roethlisberger or Peyton or Cam or Luck.