What Raiders fans are saying about the Carolina Panthers

[Waldo]

15 hours ago, Khyber53 said:

Chucky and Mayock have been greatly overvalued. Neither have proved they can run a team that Tony Dungy didn't make for them.

One will be back hocking Coronas, the other will be wearing a cheap suit and doing pre-draft picks on ESPN Ocho after this season.

 

I would guess next year or after but other that that dead on. 

[Mr Mojo Risin]

21 hours ago, t96 said:

Well even when Carr is "on it" he's not very good. He just plays so scared and has no confidence, that along with a weak arm is a bad combo for a starting QB. They have some nice pieces on offense and a good OL but those WRs and Carr don't scare me one bit, even with our young secondary. I think this game will come down to coaching to be honest. Who is less sloppy and which coach can do a better job at masking their weaknesses. They might have a bit more talent than us but their roster overall isn't that much better than ours.

A Qb who has a weak arm and has "a bad combination of mechanics" does not throw for 4k yards and consistently posts QBRs of 90+ in consecutive seasons with literally no offensive help. You people talk about Teddy as if hes the second coming of Jesus Christ to rescue this franchise from obscurity yet try and tear down a QB of Derek Carr's caliber is actually hilarious. The two aren't even close in comparison. One is a Journeyman who has struggled to throw for a measely 10 TDs a season and barely passes for 3,000 yards per season and the other is a Franchise Qb with multiple seasons that are so much better than what Ted could ever hope to have on his stat sheet. This board has so many delusional posters it's quite hilarious reading these posts. 

[Shocker]

23 hours ago, Tepper’s Used Car Lot said:

forgive me for being a realist. there are a couple bright spots on this roster - excited to see CMC, DJ, Burns, Jackson.

other than that, yeah, not much to get excited about.

[onmyown]

Yep...the Panther’s veteran ‘average 7 wins in the past 3 years and 5 wins last year’ team has been utterly torn apart and in disarray ...whatever we will do without Cam on the bench, Olsen injured and lallygagging and Rivera staring into oblivion as the game clock winds down to zero.

Now we will for sure won’t win games.

[t96]

2 hours ago, Mr Mojo Risin said:

A Qb who has a weak arm and has "a bad combination of mechanics" does not throw for 4k yards and consistently posts QBRs of 90+ in consecutive seasons with literally no offensive help. You people talk about Teddy as if hes the second coming of Jesus Christ to rescue this franchise from obscurity yet try and tear down a QB of Derek Carr's caliber is actually hilarious. The two aren't even close in comparison. One is a Journeyman who has struggled to throw for a measely 10 TDs a season and barely passes for 3,000 yards per season and the other is a Franchise Qb with multiple seasons that are so much better than what Ted could ever hope to have on his stat sheet. This board has so many delusional posters it's quite hilarious reading these posts. 

First off, I'm not comparing him to Teddy. At all. And I'm not going to. I've never posted anything here that suggests I think Teddy can "rescue this franchise" or that he'll be that great here. Forget Teddy because he's not a part of this discussion. My post was focused only on Derek Carr.

 

Derek Carr does have a weak arm, it's not really debatable. There's a reason he was bottom 5 in deep passing attempts last year among starters. The team doesn't trust him to throw the ball deep consistently enough to have it as a key component of their offense. Most Raiders fans would agree with this. I never mentioned "mechanics" in my post so not sure where that came from. Stats don't tell the whole story at all. And "literally no offensive help" is one of the most ridiculous things I've seen here. He has a top 5 OL and a rookie of the year RB, and a TE who was 2nd in the league in receiving and is a legit passing threat. Yes the WR group is well below average, but overall he has a very solid supporting cast, starting with the OL which is more important than WRs (ask Andrew Luck). Carr is not a threat and isn't an ideal franchise starting QB. There are very very few who would disagree with that, and Carr's own coach is included as shown by the contract he gave Marcus Mariota.

[Raideraholic]

18 hours ago, Khyber53 said:

Chucky and Mayock have been greatly overvalued. Neither have proved they can run a team that Tony Dungy didn't make for them.

One will be back hocking Coronas, the other will be wearing a cheap suit and doing pre-draft picks on ESPN Ocho after this season.

 

Have you seen Mayock two drafts , as he has done extremely well drafting.  Do your homework next time, as you have no clue what you’re talking about.

[Raideraholic]

19 minutes ago, t96 said:

First off, I'm not comparing him to Teddy. At all. And I'm not going to. I've never posted anything here that suggests I think Teddy can "rescue this franchise" or that he'll be that great here. Forget Teddy because he's not a part of this discussion. My post was focused only on Derek Carr.

 

Derek Carr does have a weak arm, it's not really debatable. There's a reason he was bottom 5 in deep passing attempts last year among starters. The team doesn't trust him to throw the ball deep consistently enough to have it as a key component of their offense. Most Raiders fans would agree with this. I never mentioned "mechanics" in my post so not sure where that came from. Stats don't tell the whole story at all. And "literally no offensive help" is one of the most ridiculous things I've seen here. He has a top 5 OL and a rookie of the year RB, and a TE who was 2nd in the league in receiving and is a legit passing threat. Yes the WR group is well below average, but overall he has a very solid supporting cast, starting with the OL which is more important than WRs (ask Andrew Luck). Carr is not a threat and isn't an ideal franchise starting QB. There are very very few who would disagree with that, and Carr's own coach is included as shown by the contract he gave Marcus Mariota.

Stop embarrassing your self as Derrick Carr has a strong arm can easily make every throw in the game. Look up his stat history  as he one of the better deep ball passes in the game.  
 

Last year due to circumstances beyond Carr control  - Antonio Brown going off the deep end, Tyrell Williams ( was never the same Wr after getting hurt in week five), and JJ  Nelson( cut in preseason because couldn’t get off the sideline)  they were going to throw the deep ball.( was going to be a big part of the offense).   Carr didn’t have any deep threats beside Te Darren Waller last year.( you have to utilize the weapons at your disposal.  
 

That isn’t the case this year Henry Ruggs( one of the NFL fastest wr in the game) B Edwards- doesn’t have Ruggs speed but still a dangerous we deep as his ability to go up and make a play in the football.  Te Darren Waller 6’6 255 4.4 legitimate speed ( look for him play some Wr)    Rico Gafford poor man Henry Ruggs ( sub 4.3 )    .   You will see how weak Derrick Carr arm is this Sunday     Bet you’re going to be eating some serious crow.

 

[t96]

"Derrick" lol

 

this dude is one of the worst opposing team fan trolls we've ever had here, nearly up there with alice. just random blatant homerism with no clue what he's talking about on any front. That Packers guy started getting a little annoying with his sucking up and trying to be overly nice but damn I kinda miss opposing teams fans like him here and even aints4life hasn't been too bad.  Well at least it's just for the next few days.

[Khyber53]

2 hours ago, Raideraholic said:

Have you seen Mayock two drafts , as he has done extremely well drafting.  Do your homework next time, as you have no clue what you’re talking about.

On paper. Reality says your records were 2018: 4-12, 2019: 7-9. Total combined record: 11-21

Not exactly special. Actually pretty much backs up what I've been saying. Might want to throw in the whole Antonio Brown spectacle there since that was a screw-up of epic proportions that left egg on the face of both Gruden and Mayock. 

By the way, the Panthers combined win-loss for that period (2018-2019): 12-20. Our coach got fired for it. Your guys are on a hot seat whether you want to admit it or not.

 

[PantherOnTheProwl1523]

3 hours ago, Raideraholic said:

Stop embarrassing your self as Derrick Carr has a strong arm can easily make every throw in the game. Look up his stat history  as he one of the better deep ball passes in the game.  
 

Last year due to circumstances beyond Carr control  - Antonio Brown going off the deep end, Tyrell Williams ( was never the same Wr after getting hurt in week five), and JJ  Nelson( cut in preseason because couldn’t get off the sideline)  they were going to throw the deep ball.( was going to be a big part of the offense).   Carr didn’t have any deep threats beside Te Darren Waller last year.( you have to utilize the weapons at your disposal.  
 

That isn’t the case this year Henry Ruggs( one of the NFL fastest wr in the game) B Edwards- doesn’t have Ruggs speed but still a dangerous we deep as his ability to go up and make a play in the football.  Te Darren Waller 6’6 255 4.4 legitimate speed ( look for him play some Wr)    Rico Gafford poor man Henry Ruggs ( sub 4.3 )    .   You will see how weak Derrick Carr arm is this Sunday     Bet you’re going to be eating some serious crow.

 

Take this nonsense out of here because you will just watch the Raiders go down in flames with a losing record all season. Enjoy the season of a losing record.

[BulldogZ400]

1 hour ago, Khyber53 said:

On paper. Reality says your records were 2018: 4-12, 2019: 7-9. Total combined record: 11-21

Not exactly special. Actually pretty much backs up what I've been saying. Might want to throw in the whole Antonio Brown spectacle there since that was a screw-up of epic proportions that left egg on the face of both Gruden and Mayock. 

By the way, the Panthers combined win-loss for that period (2018-2019): 12-20. Our coach got fired for it. Your guys are on a hot seat whether you want to admit it or not.

In fairness to Mayock, he was not hired on until after the 2018 season.  
 

But you are right - the Raiders are not a good team until their record shows it.  And it has not showed it.  There is, however, guarded optimism for the direction of the team.  Last years draft was knocked out of the park - Jacobs (some believe was ROY), Crosby (finished behind Bosa for DROY), Renfrow (finished season as best WR on the team).  Interestingly, Abram may have been the most hyped rookie of them all before going down game 1.  Ferrell, the #4 overall, still has work to do.  
 

But all of that doesn’t mean anything until their record shows it.  

 

[CPF4LIFE]

Ah yes...fanbases trash talking before a game. Football is really back.

[Mr Mojo Risin]

On 9/11/2020 at 12:24 PM, t96 said:

First off, I'm not comparing him to Teddy. At all. And I'm not going to. I've never posted anything here that suggests I think Teddy can "rescue this franchise" or that he'll be that great here. Forget Teddy because he's not a part of this discussion. My post was focused only on Derek Carr.

 

Derek Carr does have a weak arm, it's not really debatable. There's a reason he was bottom 5 in deep passing attempts last year among starters. The team doesn't trust him to throw the ball deep consistently enough to have it as a key component of their offense. Most Raiders fans would agree with this. I never mentioned "mechanics" in my post so not sure where that came from. Stats don't tell the whole story at all. And "literally no offensive help" is one of the most ridiculous things I've seen here. He has a top 5 OL and a rookie of the year RB, and a TE who was 2nd in the league in receiving and is a legit passing threat. Yes the WR group is well below average, but overall he has a very solid supporting cast, starting with the OL which is more important than WRs (ask Andrew Luck). Carr is not a threat and isn't an ideal franchise starting QB. There are very very few who would disagree with that, and Carr's own coach is included as shown by the contract he gave Marcus Mariota.

You were just the person I quoted but if you read Igo's OP he does exactly that (Compares Carr to Teddy then goes on to say Teddy > Carr, and it isnt close lol?????) He had Jacobs for 1 year/6. Who were is RBs the previous years? An old washed up Marshawn Lynch, DeAndre Washington, Jalen Richard?  And seeing who the dude is throwing too and playing with on the offensive side of the football is extremely important to look at when trying to figure out why/why not a team does/doesn't throw deep or how good or bad a Qb is because STATISTICS only tell part of the story right? Just like you said?! If Carr had a weak arm I don't believe they draft Ruggs III that just doesn't make any sense does it? Grab one of the fastest WR's in the draft to throw short routes to? He also would not have thrown for over 4k yards with 21 TDS/8 INTs last year throwing to one of the worst WR units in football. Qbs with weak arms just do not put up those kinds of stats throwing to bums. Mariota is also a much worse QB than Carr is. He can hardly throw the football and is not a smart Qb/one of the worst decision makers with the ball in his hand. No way he replaces a healthy Derek Carr and has anywhere close to the seasons he's put up as the Franchise starter in Jokeland.

[Khyber53]

12 hours ago, BulldogZ400 said:

 

Our RB was a better WR than the Raiders leading receiver, by almost 400 yards.

Of course, he was better than a lot of team's #1 WRs.

I do sure appreciate your response, though. I'd love to see the Raiders come back to be the Raiders of old, or even just the Raiders of the Marcus Allen era, but I'm just not seeing Gruden bringing it about.