Panthers are not done at the cornerback position

[mrcompletely11]

7 minutes ago, stbugs said:

None of those GMs would have actually made that pick. It’s easy to get interviewed and say someone has more upside due to a strong arm. None of those GMS had a chance or really even scouted either of them. Leaf absolutely busted but I don’t believe any of those GMs pick Leaf if they actually scouted them and had a chance to pick from both.

I mean Leaf’s agent even said Leaf tanked the process to get picked by SD, which Polish denied. Yes, the Colts did their due diligence because they had to and they only had two guys to review, but they weren’t taking Leaf and no team actually doing a thorough review does any different. Doesn’t mean Leaf wasn’t highly thought of since he went second but the whole Leaf would have gone first for most teams isn’t true.

Yeah I am not buying that

[LinvilleGorge]

16 minutes ago, stbugs said:

None of those GMs would have actually made that pick. It’s easy to get interviewed and say someone has more upside due to a strong arm. None of those GMS had a chance or really even scouted either of them. Leaf absolutely busted but I don’t believe any of those GMs pick Leaf if they actually scouted them and had a chance to pick from both.

I mean Leaf’s agent even said Leaf tanked the process to get picked by SD, which Polish denied. Yes, the Colts did their due diligence because they had to and they only had two guys to review, but they weren’t taking Leaf and no team actually doing a thorough review does any different. Doesn’t mean Leaf wasn’t highly thought of since he went second but the whole Leaf would have gone first for most teams isn’t true.

I agree with you on a lot of things, but damn man... when you develop an opinion, that's it that's all. Nothing is gonna budge it one bit and all mental gymnastics will be deployed to defend it. LOL!

[stbugs]

14 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

I agree with you on a lot of things, but damn man... when you develop an opinion, that's it that's all. Nothing is gonna budge it one bit and all mental gymnastics will be deployed to defend it. LOL!

Lol. Some people believe Steinberg that Leaf threw it so he could go second. I don’t see how some random survey which we don’t know the question or doesn’t involve the GMs who actually did due diligence will change my mind when the team that had the choice picked Manning. All the comments are Leaf has a stronger arm so maybe higher upside. Not sure what mental gymnastics I’m going through to support the conclusion that actually happened.

I’m not saying Eli wasn’t an even easier decision because Peyton’s older brother wasn’t already a successful NFL QB. After Peyton and Archie there really wasn’t a question mark.

[stbugs]

13 hours ago, Rubi said:

Shaq / JB have never been as impactful as the guy you are describing 

Short was amazing in 2015 and impactful in 2016. WTF does that do with paying Short $13M in 2020? Bradberry and Shaq would fit a 5 year plan Short does not.

We shouldn’t be back in the place where we pay for performance 5 years ago.

[LinvilleGorge]

10 minutes ago, stbugs said:

Short was amazing in 2015 and impactful in 2016. WTF does that do with paying Short $13M in 2020? Bradberry and Shaq would fit a 5 year plan Short does not.

We shouldn’t be back in the place where we pay for performance 5 years ago.

Yeah, moving on from Cam seemed to be the kickoff to truly focusing on a five year plan. Then we decide to keep Short, sign highly paid stopgaps in Bridgewater and Anderson... well, WTF? Re-signing Shaq makes sense. I thought we should've re-signed Bradberry too or instead, but at their age both could potentially fit into a five year plan.

[Vagrant]

On 9/9/2020 at 8:43 AM, Khyber53 said:

Prince Amukamara is  apparently still available. I think we should grab him. He's on the back slope of his career, but he's a smart guy who can help teach our young DB corps. The fact he also knows the Raiders system back to front could help, too.

you spelled corpse wrong 

[mrcompletely11]

20 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Yeah, moving on from Cam seemed to be the kickoff to truly focusing on a five year plan. Then we decide to keep Short, sign highly paid stopgaps in Bridgewater and Anderson... well, WTF? Re-signing Shaq makes sense. I thought we should've re-signed Bradberry too or instead, but at their age both could potentially fit into a five year plan.

I would rather have Bradberry over Shaq.   Shaq has never done anything remotely close to impress me.  Bradberry isnt really a shutdown corner but he is competent and can contribute

[LinvilleGorge]

9 minutes ago, mrcompletely11 said:

I would rather have Bradberry over Shaq.   Shaq has never done anything remotely close to impress me.  Bradberry isnt really a shutdown corner but he is competent and can contribute

I agree. IMO, Shaq has been a disappointment of a 1st round pick so far. Hell, I was advocating to not even pick up his 5th year option. Maybe he'll come into his own now that he's clearly our leader at LB with Luke and TD both gone now.

[ForJimmy]

3 hours ago, stbugs said:

None of those GMs would have actually made that pick. It’s easy to get interviewed and say someone has more upside due to a strong arm. None of those GMS had a chance or really even scouted either of them. Leaf absolutely busted but I don’t believe any of those GMs pick Leaf if they actually scouted them and had a chance to pick from both.

I mean Leaf’s agent even said Leaf tanked the process to get picked by SD, which Polish denied. Yes, the Colts did their due diligence because they had to and they only had two guys to review, but they weren’t taking Leaf and no team actually doing a thorough review does any different. Doesn’t mean Leaf wasn’t highly thought of since he went second but the whole Leaf would have gone first for most teams isn’t true.

I agree, but every now and then you have a double team like the Bears picking Mitch over Watson and Mahomes...

[Basbear]

6 hours ago, Vagrant said:

you spelled corpse wrong 

https://twitter.com/i/status/1300454691281698817

he still maybe better than what the panthers have..... but that got him cut it looks like

[Khyber53]

7 hours ago, Vagrant said:

you spelled corpse wrong 

That was almost funny.

[Raideraholic]

On 9/9/2020 at 8:43 AM, Khyber53 said:

Prince Amukamara is  apparently still available. I think we should grab him. He's on the back slope of his career, but he's a smart guy who can help teach our young DB corps. The fact he also knows the Raiders system back to front could help, too.

Hunter Renfrow abused Prince Amukamara so bad in training camp, that they elected to go with all youth  at cb.   Not to mention rookie cb  D Arnette showed he was ready to start in the NFL.

[stbugs]

7 hours ago, ForJimmy said:

I agree, but every now and then you have a double team like the Bears picking Mitch over Watson and Mahomes...

100% agree and Mahomes tends to happen when the top QB (Trubisky) is not as highly ranked as other classes. When the top QB has a lot of holes and the other QBs have question marks, there’s a lot less certainty on who breaks out.

It’s like when people say there is no guarantee. While technically correct there’s a big difference having the #1 pick when Peyton, Aikman, Luck, Cam and even Lawrence are the top QBs versus Couch, Russell, Winston and Mayfield. Having the first pick this year is no guarantee but the chance of it hitting is much higher than normal.

[jfra78]

47 minutes ago, stbugs said:

100% agree and Mahomes tends to happen when the top QB (Trubisky) is not as highly ranked as other classes. When the top QB has a lot of holes and the other QBs have question marks, there’s a lot less certainty on who breaks out.

It’s like when people say there is no guarantee. While technically correct there’s a big difference having the #1 pick when Peyton, Aikman, Luck, Cam and even Lawrence are the top QBs versus Couch, Russell, Winston and Mayfield. Having the first pick this year is no guarantee but the chance of it hitting is much higher than normal.

You are probably right about Lawrence, but its obvious this team has no desire to pick him.