UDFA Wide Receiver Omar Bayless turning heads

[CPcavedweller]

21 hours ago, LinvilleGorge said:

The guy had 93 catches for 1653 yards and 17 TDs last year. He accounted for 41% of his team's receiving yardage and 46% of their receiving TDs. Even in the Sun Belt, that's attention grabbing.

Sun Belt is ahead of MAC and C-USA, FYI. He was probably one of the best receivers in the Sun Belt (between Corey Sutton and Bayless, until Sutton tore an ACL), and lit up pretty much everyone they played against. Arkansas State ran a similar West Coast style offense to what we will be running so that should help his transition. 

Doesn't matter where you play, 1,600 yards in FCS or FBS for any school is going to get you a look in an NFL camp. 

[bababoey]

3 hours ago, kass said:

Don't have my notes here, one standout season, 3 with low or average numbers (but tape was promising),  played in a lower regarded division and his 40 was ~4.62 and some other combine results wasn't great either.

I think another factor was his age, he will be 24 this year. Most drafted wr will be 21-22 this year.

He had some problems creating separation, still caught the ball... 

So probably a combination of these reasons... I saw him as an intriguing prospect and would have found a way to draft him.

Yeah this.  Older, bad combine, and 1 productive season.  He may be productive in the NFL, I hope he is here, but for every Boldin and Landry there is 100 Brenton Bersin's.  Receivers with good hands and good size that just aren't quick or fast enough to get open in the NFL.

[trueblade]

 

[Madwolf]

I think we're going to see the difference between Rivera and Rhule this year when it comes to not just who gets cut, but playing time. Hopefully, because it would be a very welcome change.

[AU-panther]

On 8/17/2020 at 8:14 PM, MHS831 said:

None had the resume this kid had at Ark St combined with his physical gifts. The guys you mentioned did not have 4-5 solid studs in front of them either--we shall see--but I do not write off anyone because someone he has nothing to do with Bayless did not step up. 

I mean, I bet we have found more undrafted free agents who made the roster than  fifth,  sixth and seventh rounders.

 

 

physical gifts, who?  Bayless?

If he had physical gifts he would have been drafted early.

Players get drafted based on production and measurables.  Character and level of competition factor in also.

He had obscene production, the fact he didn't get drafted tells you that scouts have serious concerns about his "physical gifts".

Hopefully he is an exeption.

 

 

[ForJimmy]

That Omar is so hot right now.

[Actionman0z]

He’s hurt 

[LinvilleGorge]

15 hours ago, AU-panther said:

physical gifts, who?  Bayless?

If he had physical gifts he would have been drafted early.

Players get drafted based on production and measurables.  Character and level of competition factor in also.

He had obscene production, the fact he didn't get drafted tells you that scouts have serious concerns about his "physical gifts".

Hopefully he is an exeption.

 

 

Player A:

6'1", 216

4.72 40

33.5" vertical

20 yard shuttle: 4.25

3 cone: 7.35

Player B:

6'3", 207

4.62 40

36" vertical

20 yard shuttle: 4.5

3 cone: 7.35

Player A is Anquan Boldin. Player B is Omar Bayless.

I don't think Bayless' physical tools are THAT bad. They're not particularly impressive for an NFL WR, but they're not red flag category bad.

[AU-panther]

1 hour ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Player A:

6'1", 216

4.72 40

33.5" vertical

20 yard shuttle: 4.25

3 cone: 7.35

Player B:

6'3", 207

4.62 40

36" vertical

20 yard shuttle: 4.5

3 cone: 7.35

Player A is Anquan Boldin. Player B is Omar Bayless.

I don't think Bayless' physical tools are THAT bad. They're not particularly impressive for an NFL WR, but they're not red flag category bad.

Boldin is a bit of an exception.

Here again, why did he not get drafted?

Good production + good measurables gets you drafted, and drafted early. 

This guy had ELITE production and wasn't' even drafted. Unless he has some major character red flags, common sense tells you that 32 teams don't feel like he has the physical tools to transition his game from the college level to the pro level.  Physical tools aren't limited to a handful of drills at the combine.  Its the ability to create separation against quality competition, the ability to make contested catches, maybe YAC.  

Don't get me wrong, I'm rooting for the kid, but he was second in the NCAA in receiving yards and he went undrafted.  32 teams passed on him, so a lot of people do in fact think that something is THAT bad.  I hope he proves them wrong.

 

 

[AndrewLaskoski]

On 8/18/2020 at 2:28 PM, trueblade said:

 

That sounds like the start to Bayless being put on IR and developed with the team this year. 

[LinvilleGorge]

18 minutes ago, AU-panther said:

Boldin is a bit of an exception.

Here again, why did he not get drafted?

Good production + good measurables gets you drafted, and drafted early. 

This guy had ELITE production and wasn't' even drafted. Unless he has some major character red flags, common sense tells you that 32 teams don't feel like he has the physical tools to transition his game from the college level to the pro level.  Physical tools aren't limited to a handful of drills at the combine.  Its the ability to create separation against quality competition, the ability to make contested catches, maybe YAC.  

Don't get me wrong, I'm rooting for the kid, but he was second in the NCAA in receiving yards and he went undrafted.  32 teams passed on him, so a lot of people do in fact think that something is THAT bad.  I hope he proves them wrong.

 

 

Because player draft evaluation is full of bro science with a big dose of bullshit intuition mixed in to ensure that it's a totally fuged process. It's just hard. There's an infinite number of variables to consider. That's why there's steals and busts with every draft class. And just because all 32 teams passed on him doesn't mean he was considered unworthy of a draft pick. The teams just had another player they preferred for whatever reason at that time. Time will tell. He very likely won't end up working out, just like every UDFA. But every year there are UDFAs who will ultimately go on to have meaningful NFL careers and it comes down to poor talent/character evaluation, just like the busts at the top of the draft.

[AU-panther]

2 hours ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Because player draft evaluation is full of bro science with a big dose of bullshit intuition mixed in to ensure that it's a totally fuged process. It's just hard. There's an infinite number of variables to consider. That's why there's steals and busts with every draft class. And just because all 32 teams passed on him doesn't mean he was considered unworthy of a draft pick. The teams just had another player they preferred for whatever reason at that time. Time will tell. He very likely won't end up working out, just like every UDFA. But every year there are UDFAs who will ultimately go on to have meaningful NFL careers and it comes down to poor talent/character evaluation, just like the busts at the top of the draft.

and still nobody has told me why he was undrafted. 

I'm sure every team did a scouting report on this guy and on that scouting report is positive and negatives or pros and cons and I doubt "bro science is listed on any of them.

Whether or not the teams are correct is irrelevant to my point, my point is 32 teams felt like he had some substantial negatives, what are those?  It clearly wasn't production, so it has to be either character or physical tools.

As far as the evaluation process goes teams are actually pretty good about identifying the bad players, its finding the good players they struggle with.  Many more 1st and 2nd rounders are going to turn out to be bad then 7th rounders and UDFA's turn out to be good.

How many UDFA's  have we had in the last 10 years? 100?

How many of them have actually been better than replacement value? Norwell?  Who else?  Even if you come up 5 that is only wrong 5% of the time.  

 

[ImaginaryKev]

football is supposed to be fun, I'm allowed to he excited by a solid possession wr4 prospect, it's a fugging pandemic and we need this

[WOW!!]

Big Wr with great hands and a big catch radius..